I'm a bit sorry we haven't see Julian Green suit up for the US over the past few months. He seems like (1) while not a world-beater, he won't do something stupid that will cost the team and (2) he could actually be a nice complementary part to our could-be world beaters.
Roldan gave credit to the starters for wearing Jamaica down. He's being a little modest but also is likely correct that it worked.
Agree 100%. I lived in SF and San Diego for much of my life… We need to take him on a tour of the taquerias in SF’s mission district. I’m in Portland now, but man, a tear wells up in my eye thinking about La Cumbre in SF. How does this relate to soccer? I don’t really know. But I’m sure hungry now.
Taxi?! I’m surprised if many on this board know the show you refer to. Fond memories watching with my parents in the 70s. I’d give my front teeth to go back in time and experience an evening with them (watching Taxi) again.
man, youre going pretty hard on white rice here. is this that reverse racism i keep hearing about? (please, for the love of god, ignore this post and move on with your lives)
Yes. You never make an argument for a player by stating the league they play in is the most important factor to chose a player. Green, CCV, Moore .... should not be excluded nor added based on their team or league they play on. Your argument to include Green is exactly what should be used. Not player X plays in league Y and his team is in Z position which is D spots above where it was last year and thus player X is better this year and should get a roster spot or start.
Fulham got sent down for a reason - because they had zero strikers and scored the 2nd fewest goals in the league (and it wasn't close). They only allowed 53 goals, middle of league (13th-ish), between Leeds/Wolves and only 3 more than Leicester. They actually played very much like an EPL team, and had many impressive results. Even moreso than Sargent in the BL2, I'm surprised Robinson hasn't jumped right back up, and the Bordeaux interest is doubly surprising/disappointing, since it seemed he was well regarded for his performances last year. But unlike what most of the Berhalter Brigade dummies are saying, nobody thinks EFL/BL2 players are better than MLS. And if Robinson remains in the Championship, he'll have to be a standout.
But you DO make an argument for a player by bringing up 20 minutes played in a World Cup 7 years ago, or 109 minutes played for Bayern 7 years ago, since that is relevant because he's experienced "at the highest level"? My lord, you're not even trying at this point...
I think Tex-Mex is ok but in Dallas we have killer street taco places. Austin is weird in there aren't a lot of Mexican places run by Mexicans or Mexican -Americans but a lot of those trendy fusion taco places. if you like authentic you won't like them but if you like anything in a taco shell might be good they're for you. Really just personal preference as I like variety and therefore like both.
In order to bring this more on topic, can we at least discuss the best place for jerk chicken tacos ?
The discordance around the comparison of the US and Jamaican squads is not surprising given that it has become clear that for some posters it is not about any analysis but instead an excuse to attack other posters that they see as members of a different tribe. One lens that could provide one (but not the only) viewpoint is a comparison of their transfermarkt values. The typical caveats apply regarding the overvaluation of youth/potential in market values. https://www.transfermarkt.com/gold-cup-2021/startseite/pokalwettbewerb/GC21#/ TeamGC Squad Market ValueComments Mexico130.6Does not include Chucky Lozano Jamaica70.9 Bailey is half that value. US69.6Very balanced but Busio is clearly potential Canada59.5I added in Larin's 11.0 Qatar16.1Not surprising US v Jamaica starting lineups: US 4-3-3 4.5M 8.0M 3.5M 2.5M 3.0M 6.0M 3.0M 4.0M 3.0M 800K 2.5M Jamaica 4-4-2 10.0M 1.0M 500K 2.8M 275K 400K 1.0M 4.5M 350K 400K 2.0M Again, just one lens, there are others!
At some point, you should probably learn sarcasm. No one making these posts think Jamaica's team is miles ahead of the US' squad, though with Hector and Bailey actually playing, I'd put them ahead. The entire thread is in response to a couple of poster, who, yes, despite what you think absolutely have repeatedly made the argument that league is a definitive measure of talent. If you do not agree with the phrase "league is a definitive measure of talent" please note that this sarcasm, now far more belabored than ever intended, was not meant for you. If you want to know why I said you were white knighting ... it's because you've been running around defending other people for positions you don't agree with. So anywho, the point was never that Jamaica was immensely more talented. The point was that there were posters who made the claim that say, merely being in the Championship proved CCV was better than Aaron Long. Now those same people also want to say we should crush a team with a decent number of Championship players, etc. The point was that this phrase: "league is a definitive measure of talent" is a BS argument, and if you really believed it, you would feel differently than you do about our chances. That's all. It's not that hard. If you agree with that point, we've got nothing to talk about. I can't tell if you've pulled off a masterful troll job or just can't read any kind of sarcasm.
Just don't engage. These people are nutty, and have simply taken an argument like "CCV should be involved in this team since he's performing well for a top EFL team, the same/similar level that Morris/Arriola/Long were involved with", or "Green should be called up and given an opportunity, rather than having a similar player like Lletget start every single game", and twisted it in an effort to make you sound unreasonable. Will they provide any proof? No, of course not. Because there isn't any. But there's a reason I've ignored most of them. They're goofy, they become slightly obsessed like an ex-gf, and are so addicted to "winning" some artificial argument, they've literally created their own so that they can win it! The funniest part is they have nothing to discuss now, because the team is performing capably (if slightly unimpressively), with all MLS guys. So we discuss MLS guys on the roster (give me more Williamson), but the entire Berhalter Brigade wants to talk about CCV/Green. Usually when people become obsessed with proving themselves like this, and inventing arguments with no proof, and bringing up points that have nothing to do with the current team/tournament, it says more about themselves than you. In this case, it's likely embarrassment and a lack of confidence bordering on self-loathing.
I’m never trying, but you make it so easy I don’t have to. See, I didn’t make an argument, the poster I quoted did, AND in it, there was much more than what you posted.
I've consistently said that there is little between MLS, Championship, BL2, Austria, Liga MX players. USL players are a step below in general. I've even gone so far as to say Top 5 league players on bottom table teams are generally no better. I get a lot of flack for that. I wish we had seen the full strength Jamaica team. But I have a feeling we will never see their theoretical best team as their Fed is really dysfunctional and I don't think their European players are crazy motivated to play in Concacaf. All these re-patriated European players to teams like Jamaica, Suriname, Curacao, etc. are going to be interesting to watch play in Honduras and El Salvador after very serious air travel. It is all nice to join the team and play the Gold Cup or NL in the USA; quite another to play in San Pedro Sula or Costa Rica.
It’s interesting what happens to a USMNT fan in his 70s (I’m 74 whereas Louis Z is mid 60s): if you’re like me and started faithfully watching each game before the WC was held in the US and now watch only highlights since Berhalter took the reins, then the Jamaica game was encouraging. The Jamaicans are lucky the MLS heavy squad wasn’t more accurate. Maybe I’ll fork over the money for Fubo TV and watch each qualifier this fall.
Eye test: Jamaica player by player was a decent match for our team out there, but Berhalter did well enough, and Jamaica's coach is not one of the best in the region either. So it was a good win. Looking at the coaches in the Octa: Canada -- Herdman, 46 -- Former women's coach, no one seemed to have any faith in him until recently, no pedigree. Trend: up Costa Rica -- Cebolla Suarez, 61 -- Colombian with 20+ years of experience managing clubs and NTs, including Ecuador, Honduras, Atlético Nacional, Dorados, Universitario, Tolima, Junior. Pedigree: good, second-tier South American manager. People are not happy with what he's doing with the Ticos though. Trend: down El Salvador -- Pérez, 57 -- We all know about him, but being assistant or managing Uxx teams seldom gets you pedigree, so as a coach he has very little. Guanacos love the guy, though, for now. Trend: up Honduras -- Fabián Coito, 54 -- Uruguayan with a very short resume, started well but with each game more and more people want to replace him. He may be too defensive-minded for a team like Honduras. Trend: down Jamaica -- Theo Whitmore, 48 -- The only club he's ever coached is Seba, in Jamaica, and he's been in charge of the NT for a decade, with a break. No pedigree outside Jamaica, and some would say he does less than possible with the players he's got. There is a well-known feud going between Bailey and the federation, and some think the star has no respect for the coach, who seems to have been kept there for ages not due to results but due to having the right friends. Trend: down Mexico -- Tata Martino, 58 -- No one can doubt Martino's pedigree: in his near a quarter of a century as a manager, he's led clubs and NTs to give more than they should. His tenure at Barcelona was a poor one, though, and he was never welcome there. While legendary in Paraguay, his time with Argentina was marred by losing two Copa finals in a row. Mexican fans often don't feel like he's a good fit to their talent pool. Trend: down Panama -- Thomas Christiansen, 48 -- Another guy with a thin resume, the Dane (naturalized Spaniard) was a surprise when hired and still a surprise now. No one seems to know exactly what he's trying to do, but from his resume I'd be a lot more pessimistic than some of the Panama fans who still support him. Trend: stable USA -- Berhalter, 47 -- Another guy that causes people outside his country go "who?" when mentioned, his only job outside MLS was with Hammarby, with one good season and one bad (that got him fired). The jury is still out on him, and so far he's showing more than expected. Trend: up
If you live near any major city you should be able to get the games with an antenna on Univision. That’s what I do 90% of the time.