2021 Gold Cup

Discussion in 'Referee' started by ref29, May 22, 2021.

  1. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I want to like Doctor Joe. But he does not inspire confidence in his analysis.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m just wondering how a “check complete” happened as fast as Montero made it seem it happened. It almost felt like he restarted too quickly.
     
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  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He didn’t even know about the FMF shenanigans over the women’s team, which should be common knowledge for anyone with any knowledge of CONCACAF.
     
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  4. Ghastly Officiating

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Oct 12, 2017
    Interesting take by Dr. Joe about the quality of refereeing under Hall...
     
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  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s one way to describe it.
     
  6. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This game and broadcast is approaching peak-CONCACAF.

    More and more I find the observation of CONCACAF being FIFA's #Pac12AfterDark accurate.
     
  7. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Didn’t they say he blew the whistle before the goal?
     
  8. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We heard it again right before full-time. Sometimes you have to wonder will concacaf actually pull the trigger and to give Mexico a forfeit.
     
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  9. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No.

    In fact, on replay, the flag didn't even go up until well after the goal, so there wouldn't have been a reason for the referee to blow before that.
     
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  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You go through all that on the chants only for it to happen worse than ever before at 90+8’. And nothing happens.

    Either the chants are irrelevant in the match and only something subject to post-match discipline (which would be a totally reasonable standard if it was laid out ahead of time) or they are the purview of the referee, in which case there must be real escalation and you can’t just pretend it didn’t happen when it’s inconvenient. Pick one. And stick to it. But this whole thing of stopping the game once or twice but never actually doing anything with teeth in-game is a total joke. Worst of both worlds. Because it didn’t change behavior and it only frustrates and angers players on both sides. I have very little sympathy for Montero tonight, but on this point he and all the other referees are handed a raw deal.
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I doubt it. I figure that's why we never see the CR do anything until after the 80th minute despite the chant being clearly heard in the first halves. By delaying they can run out the clock before being forced to go to stage 3, forfeit.
     
  12. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At this rate the Mexican women's team will never see fans at home.

    Runs away....
     
  13. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Watching the replay, you are correct. But I could have sworn that’s what the announcers said.
     
  14. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    Maybe they can give Herrera a mic at the coin toss before the next game.
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #65 MassachusettsRef, Jul 11, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2021
    I still think 79-80’ is the most baffling thing that happened all game. Everything else is normal controversy or explainable, even if I personally disagree. I can’t quite wrap my head around what happened at 79-80’. But ultimately it is changing a corner kick to a goal kick, so I don’t think many people will notice.
     
  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The announcers, mainly Dr. Joe, were saying they could review the call on VAR unless the whistle blew before the ball was in the net. They never said that's what happened.
     
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  17. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    Easy to misunderstand.

    It stood out to me because of the us women's goal called off recently because of that. And probably what Dr Joe was thinking of when he made that comment
     
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  18. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    This entire thing is baffling.
    First, let me state I am for stopping the chant.
    Second, it is entirely laughable that they get up in arms about the chant, but they can hold a World Cup in Qatar where homosexuality is illegal.
    Third, I am hoping for a player to “come out” and then sue for being forced to work in a hostile environment. It would be brilliant.
     
  19. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    For those of us who missed the game tonight. It would be great to see some clips.
     
  20. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looking at this again, the broadcast did the freeze frame quite a bit early. If we can find the actual kick point, it might have been a clearer offside decision.
     
  21. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Sounds like I missed a fun game.
     
  22. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I suspect almost any game involving Mexico this tournament could have shenanigans.
     
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  23. Englishref

    Englishref Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    London, England
    Sounds like I'm going to have to see if the Gold Cup is shown in the UK...!

    For those asking about concussion substitutions, in the Premier League, they're differentiated by the team making the substitution handing the 4O a green sheet rather than the normal white sheet. The 4O then hands the other team an extra substitution form for them to use.
     
  24. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Welcome to the club!

    PH
     
  25. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    Premier Sports :)
     

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