The Red Baron: Josh Sargent at Norwich City

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Oct 11, 2016.

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  1. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yikes, the 2. BL is becoming a reality for him.
     
  2. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Why yikes?

    We have no other strikers in a top 5 league. Everyone is unhappy with the number of goals Sargent scores in a top 5 league. Werder haven't lost many (any?) players, and just beat multiple 2nd division teams during their Cup run. They will likely be fighting to return to the BL.

    Thus, they'll probably score enough goals. If Sargent stays, he will have ample opportunity to score against weaker opposition, which will/should make USNT fans happy since he'll be scoring more goals, which to many is all that matters.

    That said - I doubt he stays, until I see something legit that says otherwise. And would prefer him in the Bundesliga, as long as he's getting minutes.
     
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  3. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
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    Brooklyn Knights
    No offense because you offered some concrete scenarios but this is shrodingers josh fan: josh is both in and outside the box. If he stays it's no big deal nobody really wanted him because he will get plenty of playing time and goals in the BL2. But don't worry even with that possibility a club from a top league is almost sure to value him as more than a BL2 level striker and put in a worthy bid for him.

    We will see if the bid ever shows up.
     
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  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I def hope he's not playing in 2 Bundesliga next season.
     
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  5. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
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    Many people are saying this!
     
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  6. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
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    does "im not worried, the goals will come" transfer to bund2?
     
  7. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    I think it's probably fine either way.

    If the NT's striker situation looked like midfield or right back, dropping to the second division might cost Sargent his spot on the roster, but that's not likely to be the case anytime soon - and there's a good chance he'd be back in a first division before the WC started in November anyway.

    I think it's also hard to predict how it might matter for long term career prospects.

    Ciro Immobile's an interesting reference point for Sargent, because he's exactly 10 years older than him (to the day). At this time in 2011, Immobile was about to go on loan in Serie B for the second straight year. He then returned to Serie A the following season, and only scored 5 goals in 33 appearances. Went on to score another 150 Serie A goals after that, though.
     
  8. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
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    Need we also provide the dozens of reference points for 20 year olds who don’t make it for every Immobile to balance out the analysis?
     
  9. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
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    Game today
     
  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    United States
    yes
     
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  11. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Stylewise they are diametrically opposite.
     
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  12. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
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    Talent wise as well
     
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  13. gruenweiss87

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    Werder Bremen
    Germany
    Sep 9, 2018
  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Fullkrug, Sargent and Osako played 30 minutes each as the striker, with Badgie and the younger Eggestein playing 45 each as the SS.
     
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  15. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
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    Sounds about right. I just keep wondering how a guy paid to finish off chances has so many good games despite not finishing off chances.
     
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  16. gruenweiss87

    gruenweiss87 Member

    Werder Bremen
    Germany
    Sep 9, 2018
    He’s paid for more than that. Also, he’s not getting paid that much.
     
  17. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
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    I'm just stirring the pot a bit. Thanks for the update on his training. I hope he has a good year, hopefully with a few more good goals.
     
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  18. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Personally, I think he’s do well for a year in the 2nd division. Drive his confidence up
     
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  19. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
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    can you put a price on "working really hard" though?
     
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  20. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
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    that's why josh doesn't have a min fee release clause. nobody can come up with infinite money.
     
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  21. mace

    mace Member+

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    Jun 5, 2004
    USA
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you are looking for something to do Bremen plays Zenit St. Petersberg at 6 pm local time today (11 am eastern). It will be shown live and free (I think) on werder.tv. Maybe a youtube stream as well.
     
  22. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Well, at least in the second division, he will get more chances to score and we can find out if he can finish when he does. If he still can't score at this level we can officially say that Josh has a problem. We can give him a pass not scoring much on an overmatched Bundesliga team that struggles to create. But, if he still can't score a level down, I think we will have to start changing expectations for him.
     
  23. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
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    I think he will score. Maybe not a ton but an acceptable amount.
     
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  24. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
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    I think this makes two friendlies w/ Sargent starting on the bench. I think Sargent is going to have to earn his starting role under the new coach. Man o man has his stock dropped. I thought he would be a shoe-in for WCQ but I am not so sure any longer. Hoping he comes on at the half and produces a bit. But it is just a friendly and I recall several friendlies over the last two seasons where Josh looked fantastic.
     
  25. gruenweiss87

    gruenweiss87 Member

    Werder Bremen
    Germany
    Sep 9, 2018
    2:2 against Zenit. Sargent played 2nd half.
    highlights and full game.

    Also: Bremen wants to sell him for €10M but Frankfurt only offered 5. Leverkusen apparently willing to pay the full amount.
     
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