1. In 1992 I play Raí, world champion for the Brazilian São Paulo. He was decisive in all the finals for the time, he scored the goal in all of the 3 finals won in the year. If it were European it would be quoted for a top 5, at the very least. 2. Raí has an income equal to Weah in 1995 by PSG. In my days in France, Parisians spoke more about him as the heart and engine of the team than about Weah. That year Litmanen also had a better season than Weah. 3. 1991 becomes a Papin offense as champion. Savicevic did much more in a chmapions than Papin in a 5th row championship. sorry for the bad english
That looks like the standings for the Guerin d'Oro being reported as at around halfway of 1983/84 I think doesn't it? Guerin d'Oro - Wikipedia
Yeah, looks like it - just under half the games played then at that stage. Good find anyway, complete with the write-ups about Brazilian players (not that I can read Portuguese myself!). I think there are Guerin d'Oro updates on Vegan10's other thread about ratings, but only from Guerin Sportivo itself, not Brazilian publications.
Searching through some Argentinian and Brazilian archives, I’ve been able to gather some ideal teams from the 1950s and ‘60s that those sources posted from European press voices. In addition some world year athlete polls that included footballers. I feel it’s appropriate to place it into this thread to expand on what was covered during the 1980s. A look back at how things fared between 1979-1986: El Gráfico 1955 ideal world team, according to information of an agency of Romania: Yachine, Hanappi, Cervatto, Ocwirk, Ferrario, Netto, Boniperti, Kocsis, Kopa, Puskas, Czibor El Gráfico stated ironically it must have been the best of Europe since non-Europeans had been omitted. Something similar had occurred in the team of the year in 1984 when no South Americans were included.
Taken from Jornal do Sports 1956 1956 European team (Corriere dello Sport, Italy): Yachine, Hanappi, Campanal, Bozsik, Wright, Ocwirk, Matthews, Di Stefano, Kopa, Puskas, Koleff Taken from El Gráfico October 1957 Alfredo Di Stèfano’s world team of the year: Ramallets, Djalma Santos, Jounquet, R. Andrade, N. Rossi, Boszik, Julinho, Schiaffino, Mihallovic, Puskas, Ring October 1957 Otto Gloria, Brazilian manager of Europe’s Benfica ranked the current top players in the world: 1 Di Stèfano, 2 Koscis, 3 Kubala, 4 Kopa, 5 Vukas
Revista do Esporte (Río, Brazil) 1958 Die Press (Austria) world team of the year (this included 15 players): Gilmar, Donald, Djalma Santos, Bellini, Nilton Santos, Zito, Koller, Garrincha, Hamrin, Didi, Vava, Fontaine, Zagalo, Skoglund
Interesting that no only is Pele not there, as commented on, but no Di Stefano (absent from the World Cup though of course) and no Raymond Kopa either! The alternative goalkeeper to Gilmar is Colin McDonald of Burnley (and England at the 1958 World Cup) I think: Colin McDonald (footballer, born 1930) - Wikipedia
Taken from Revista do Esporte (Río, Brazil) 1960 world team of the year (Italian sources): Yachine, Durkovich, W. Martinez, Szymantack, Sipos, Benitez, Hamrin, Luis Suarez, Seeler, Pelè, Charlton [It states the surprise is that Di Stèfano was not included, but for Italian chroniclers he no longer was the same player] Note: it’s unknown which Italian sources were involved. (Year 1959 unknown information as for now)
Year 1961 Taken from Jornal do Sports (Río, Brazil) 1961 World team of the year (ll Calcio e Il Ciclismo Illustrado (Italy): Yachine, Bergmark, Jusufin, Zito, Germano, Masopust, Dorval, Kucev, Buzeck, Sivori, Seminario [Also features top players in each position]. Note: Brazilian critics were furious that neither Pelè or Garrincha made the Italian list. The explanation was that they didn’t compete in sufficient international games to be regarded better than other options in their positions. 1961 Ny Tid (Sweden) Best athletes of the year Taken from Jornal do Sports (Río, Brazil) 30 December 1961 52 journalists across 26 countries Ny Tid (Sweden) Garrincha 4th place (best footballer in the world, according to this publication) Pelè ranked 8th place amongst top athletes in 1961 and second best footballer of the year, according to this publication.
@ManiacButcher thought that the 1960 XI 'from Italy' was probably also the Calcio e il Ciclismo selection: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/interesting-best-xi.325564/page-59#post-40438062 I don't know if you've been looking at this other thread at all Vegan, but MB found the 1962 XI too (and along with Titanlux he found info about the "Oscars Byrrh" which as it turns out was picked over a slightly longer time period than a year (to kind of result in a 'best players of the moment' XI I think, which develops/changes (6 month I think) period by period but isn't a specific XI of a particular year or season) https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/b...bigsoccer-users.2119696/page-13#post-40425378
Interesting selection. Fahrudin Jusufi of Yugoslavia (also very highly regarded at this time by World Soccer), Hans Buzek of Austria and Rudolf Kucera of Czechoslovakia in particular.
These lists are an interesting curiosity, but we must not forget that in the 50s and 60s there was no internet, global broadcasts, etc. These journalists didn't follow most of the players outside their country. Even today, we may have more information (goals, titles, statistics and even video) than they had on players outside of their league. It is possible that someone today has watched more Garrincha games, with the half dozen matches available on YouTube, than an Italian journalist from 1961, who did not cover the World Cup. The interesting thing is to see how some players who played in local leagues were highly regarded and perhaps this has been lost, like Kurt Hamrin or Seminario. It's also interesting to see Italians' admiration for Eastern European players. Italian journalists held Yugoslav, Czech and Russian football in the late 1950s and early 1960s in high regard. I think the 1960 Euro had a big part of that. And, yeah, Di Stefano was not the same player in 1960.
Yes, looking at that thread I believe it’s also from Calcio e il Ciclismo, as they were considered to have routinely picked their annual team of the year, but I’m not sure what year they started and when they stopped picking these world teams.
About 1961: It’s further elaborated in Revista do Esporte, Brazil Edit: It states, take into account only Yachine has repeated consecutive years (1960, 61) as number 1 in his position.
End of 1962 (Taken from Jornal dos Sports, Brazil) 1962 team of the year (Italian source, probably ll Calcio e Il Ciclismo Illustrado): Schroif, Armfield, Schnellinger, Zito, Maldini, Masopust, Garrincha, Sekularac, Albert, Pelè, Meski [Also contains best players in every position] End of 1962 (Taken from Revista do Esporte, Brazil) 1962 32 publications from Europe and America’s continents chose this world team: Schroif, Djalma Santos, Mauro, Jusufin, Zito, Masopust, Garrincha, Sekularac, Vava, Pelè, Zagalo Unknown who voted.
1963 world or ideal teams Taken from Jornal dos Sports (June 1963) 1963 European team of the year by European journalists: Schroiff, Wendling, Schnellinger, Solymosal, Maldini, Masopust, Kopa, Jurion, Seeler, Eusebio, Gento Taken from Revista do Esporte, Brazil 1963 best athletes in the world Ny Tid (Sweden) Pelè ranked number 13 (best footballer in the world, according to this source) Jimmy Greaves ranked 18 Yachine ranked 23 Rivera ranked 34 Taken from Revista do Esporte, Brazil 1963 journalist poll of best athletes Stuttgart (West Germany) Internationale Sport-Korrespondenz (Yachine ranked number 15 amongst all athletes and was the only footballer listed as the best in the world, according to this publication) Taken from Jornal do Sports (Río, Brazil) 1963 “All the famous coaches and players from all over the world, except Karl Decker, from Austria, were unanimous in appointing goalkeeper Yachine, from the USSR, among the three best footballers in the world and six of them ranked him in first place, in the poll promoted by the Soviet weekly Football. Pelé, Eusébio, Suarez, Schnnellinger and Di Stefano were also voted. Santos, AC Milan and Internazionale Milano were mentioned in the choice for the best team of 63, which was part of the poll, in letters addressed to world-renowned coaches and footballers. Among others, replied Sepp Herberger, former team manager from Germany: Helenio Herrera from Internazionale: Karl Decker from Áustria; Nandor Hidegkuti from Hungary: Raymond Kopa from France: Tvanov from the USSR; Soskie from Yugoslavia: Kolev from Bulgaria.“ (UIP-AFP-JS). According to this source Yachine snatched 6 first place votes and is voted in the top 3 unanimously by almost all, leading to the high probability that he was ranked the best footballer in the world in 1963, according to this publication. Taken from Mundo Deportivo (Spain) 1963 world team of the year (posted January 1964) From British specialists: Gilmar, Schnellinger, Garrincha, Wilson, Zito, Maldini, Coluna, Garrincha, Law, Di Stefano, Pelè, Gento
You added a lot of great info in this post, for 1963, Vegan. Those votes about best sportsmen overall are also interesting. I think the 'European Team' you cite seems to be one of those European Football Oscars selections, and we worked out I think that the team published in mid 1963 would be based on 18 months, being all of 1962 plus the start of 1963 (end of 62/63 season): It's the top XI listed in this post isn't it I think? https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/b...bigsoccer-users.2119696/page-13#post-40421168 This is Titanlux's thread about it, plus my (belated) best understanding of what I think was taking place, and Titanlux's posting of the brief report accompanying the final selection from mid-1964: European football Oscar 1964 | BigSoccer Forum https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/european-football-oscar-1964.2110706/#post-40463149 https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/european-football-oscar-1964.2110706/#post-40463157
Thank you very much, mate. Yes, that seems to be the case; great work by our fellow members in the forum in discovering how things were viewed at that time. About 1958: In addition, it comes as no surprise that Didi was generally chosen at the time as the World Cup’s most outstanding player — although some critics preferred Raymond Kopa — but also, according to Brazil’s Jornal dos Sports, he was elected as the world’s best player in 1958. This was mentioned in various occasions in their press, like in 1962 looking back at things: Whether this election was true or not, is so far unknown, but Didi was considered South America’s top footballer in the late 1950s by all Brazilian accounts that I’ve read, and has at least 2 tournaments (WC58 and CA59) as the outstanding player, according to the critics and managers/players of that time. This obviously goes into the CA thread but it puts things in perspective where Didi undoubtedly was considered Brazil’s best player at least until the end of 1959, and with Di Stefano and Kopa, generally viewed as the premier players in world football.
This is a World XI from Brian Glanville in the Sunday Times from 29 May 1966: Yashin; Schnellinger, Facchetti; Voronin, Bellini, Orlando; Garrincha, Suarez, Seeler, Pele, Bobby Charlton
Taken from Jornal dos Sports December 30, 1966 1966 World team A (The Associated Press): Banks, Djalma Santos, Schultz, Bobby Moore, Marzolini, Beckenbauer, Bobby Charlton, Varonin, Bene, Eusebio, George Best World Team B Tilcowski, Sanchís, Ubiñas, Fachetti, Rildo, Haller, Albert, Coluna, Law, Pelè, Simōes Years 1964 and 65 are unknown thus far.