Україна National Team III

Discussion in 'Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, & the former Soviet Repu' started by rbubela, Aug 23, 2011.

  1. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    This explanation came in handy today. Had no idea Ukraine was the Pot 1 team because we won our qualifying group, makes sense now. Shocking we had to play an away game @ a Pot 2 team, what a joke.
    Hope you check this before the game tomorrow for some positive vibes or at least after we win some of the lads reminisce and come back. We truly need to celebrate together if Ukraine advance. This is an absolute dream spot for our Zbirni, Sheva seems to be a potentially world class manager in the making who won't be our coach much longer, and with the lads being a perfect age the time is now! Slava Ukrainiiii!!!!
     
  2. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    I predict 2-1 to the good guys.
     
  3. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    What's up yasik hope all is well. Cool to see you checked the forum on matchday haha respect. The tradition lives on. Cheers to us and all the lads throughout the years who made this place a great place to talk, may it revive today with a result

    Would be a fantastic achievement, fingers crossed the lads play to their capabilities and no bad luck. Even after the electrifying game v. Holland not much is being said about us. Saw a couple articles written about Sheva today but mostly its unkown we are the 3rd youngest team @ Euro's with an 18 year old CB, a result today would increase the buzz. Viva UKPAIHA!! <3
     
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  4. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Never ending nightmare lmao!

    5 defenders is the name of the game, Ukraine drew @ Lisbon & Paris playing with 5 defenders, we won u-20 World Cup the same way. Not matching up with Holland in Amsterdam with 5 when they themselves played that system or against Austria who play with 5 too and only needing a draw is really naive. Bless Sheva's heart for staying faithful to the beautiful game, but if you do you at least need to rotate the squad once in 3 games. We were heavy legged today and tactically outmaneuvered by a modern back 5 side all playing in Bundesliga. Respect to Austria, good squad. Now we need to hope Belgium & Denmark win today, and Spain to win tmrw or Croatia & Scotland to draw or we are out
     
  5. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Russia is out, Denmark & Belgium keep Ukraine's hopes alive

    We could progress tmrw if Croatia & Scotland draw, if that fails the final chance is if Spain beats Slovakia and Sweden avoids defeat to Poland
     
  6. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    I mean... Speechless... A stinking point against effing Austria.... Wtf.... So God damn sad. I didn't think Russia had a chance... Denmark has that x factor with what happened to Ericksen.... But Ukraine, who should have drawn against the Dutch. So disappointed.
     
  7. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Wait... Is that accurate?
     
  8. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Yes, we survived the 1st hurdle finishing ahead of Finland/Russia, now we need to finish ahead of 1 other 3rd place team. Not that we deserve it, but we could potentially end up lucking out and getting Sweden in the sweet 16 if they beat Poland and finish 1st in their group. Other options would be Belgium or winner of France group...

    Sounds like Sheva didn't fully understand the process after the game himself. Weird situation for Ukraine having to prepare like they still might be alive, and they did go to bed tonight with their hopes up after the 1st hurdle was cleared. If they somehow still advance its honestly a blessing in disguise. The quadrant Ukraine would've been in would've been Italy, Belgium & France to reach the Final, would've been pointless. If they happen to get placed with Sweden the quarterfinalist would be Czech's or England or France/Germany plus semifinalist Holland or Denmark...
     
  9. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Croatia won and deservedly slow, our last hope to advance is still a very decent chance of happening

    Ukraine will play either Spain or Sweden if both get the required results tmrw. Spain must beat Slovakia and Sweden needs to draw Poland for us to advance. If Sweden happens to beat Poland we would play Sweden in Glasgow...
     
  10. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Yes! We get Sweden! It's the battle of blue and yellow. Very doable and Sheva gets another chance.
     
  11. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Joma kits and Russia small dick energy having our jerseys altered literally changed Ukrainian fortunes. We are the most unlucky miserable footy nation of all those with a somewhat prestigious history (3 Balon d'Or winners, Euro '88 finalist, club level success of Dynamo, Shakhtar & Dnipro). Extremely unlucky to miss out of tournaments in 1998, 2002 and 2014 (plus choked in 2000 & 2010), but in 2 of the 4 tournaments we've been in now with fortunate Rd of 16 draws

    Ukraine literally qualified on the final day in the final spot thanks to our viking ancestors Sweden beating Kievan Rus lifetime enemy Poland in Petrograd, Russia, so much karma its unbelievable. Shoutout to Donetsk & Lugansk and Crimea is Ukraine too! <3
     
  12. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    As much as I'm happy Ukraine won I feel really bad for Lewandowski, that triple miss in the 1st half was insane. It reminded me of Shevchenko in the 2005 Champs League Final, he had a brilliant header saved in the 119th min and the goalie at his mercy, for some reason he wanted to smash it in and goalie managed to punch it straight up over the bar. It would've been Sheva's 2nd winning goal in 3 years in Champions League Final, his legacy would be on a totally different level right now had what should've happened 99% of the time happened. Sheva was the reigning Balon d'Or too, and Lewa should be now if he wasn't robbed of the honor. Lewa eases Sheva's pain slightly, crazy how the futbol gods work...

    Also really hope this success brings a few of the old band members together. We really shouldn't have fallen out of touch this bad. I'm going to try to make a habit of posting here during Int'l breaks again. Hopefully some of the lads remember this page and decide to check and pop in for at least a few pleasantries. The Russian invasion really devastated us, but Ukraine has slowly adjusted and moved forward, would be cool if somehow this place gets revived again
     
  13. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Agreed with the above. As much as I don't care about Poland, feel bad for Lewa. The two matches that are happening too early are England/Germany and Belgium/Portugal.

    I'm secretly hoping Denmark do well.
     
  14. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Not sure if you use fotmob app for soccer scores but its my go to now, they have real time player ratings that I love to check after watching games, they break down players stats like duels won/loss, dribbles, tackles, literally everything. Anyway they do a March Madness type bracket challenge there (began with WC 2018), I actually had Ukraine v. Denmark in the quarterfinal with Ukraine advancing haha

    Spain v. Croatia too, that entire side of the bracket is brutal, it was the same way in 2016 too I remember. Honestly although its cool to see more countries get a chance, I do kinda miss the hectic drama of a 16 team tournament. There were a couple great group stage games but in general its kinda just like a warmup phase. Imagine if they move the World Cup to 48 teams soon like they are talking about...
     
  15. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Decided to check in. Glad to see the forum still breathing.

    Hope springs eternal but Ukraine has been a major disappointment for me. This seemed like the most talented and most professional squad since the late 90's teams. I should have saw this coming with the recent WC qualifiers. Where do we start. Austria provided pressured early, deep and we couldn't properly space nor be decisive when we had the ball, just could not get out of our defensive zone. Everyone can stop talking about Mikolenko to Milan. He struggled on the ball, man marking, with calamitous decision making. Zabarniy appeared responsible for the first goal allowing a likely concussed Baumgartner to gain position and score. He was also exposed a few times via long ball but Aurnotovic bailed him out. Karavaev can create chances on the wing but sat on the ball far too long, allowed Austria to close in, and made poor decisions though spacing in the back didn't help. I'm having a difficult time processing why Zina and Malina looked lost and fatigued. Zina appeared responsible for Austria seamlessly breaking out of pressure on multiple occasions. Its not as though he logged heavy minutes with Man City this year. Yarmola and Yaremchuk have done well with the little chances they have received. And I don't know how or where Yarmola pulled out this sort of quality in form considering his age and the fact that he basically did not play this year. Shaparenko seems like a decent facilitator but he does nothing special. He doesn't seem capable of beating defenders 1-1 nor have I seen a spark of considered creativity. He is Rybalka 2.0. I don't understand how or why Besedin sees the pitch. He is terrible in nearly every faucet of the game. I mean, he does well in holding up the ball and can bully his way in the box but can't create, can't score from distant, does not have pace. His back pass on a break away counter attack against Macedonia, which would lead to a solid chance for Macedonia, was criminal and reason to place him on the end of the bench. Zybkov is the same mold, lumbering, low talent, center-forward type that is somehow cast on the wing.


    Buschan and Matvienko have been superb and have the talent to maintain a starting spot on a mid-table La Liga, Premier League, Seria A, Bundesliga club.


    Here's my starting 11

    -----------------Yaremchuk--------------
    ---Tsygankov----Malina--------Yarmola
    --------- -Zina-----------Taras--------------
    Sobol----Kryvtsov----Matvienko----Karavaev
    ----------------Buschan----------------------
     
  16. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Rbubela what's up xlopits! Great to see you again, hope all is well

    Mykolenko has been having a rough go of it since that calamitous error v. Finland in WC2022 qualifiers, up until that point he was a darling. Was immense in the opening Euro qualifer in Lisbon where we got a big result to kick start this campaign, he was eligible for u-20 World Cup but just too good for that level. The writing was on the wall when Sheva called him out in training, he was joking around and Sheva told him 'mne ni do shutki malish,' Sheva saw his immaturity and made to pay for it. He risked faking injury v. Holland in 1st half almost conceded a goal from it, then dove again on their 2nd goal, and I think he even did it v. Macedonia as well. His stubbornness is getting annoying as hell but he deserves credit for not being scared lol...with that said there's no doubt he has the physical attributes and enough quality where he should be playing for a club in a top 5 league
    Zabarniy is an absolute revelation, the way he dribbled out of the back a few times v. Holland in his 1st major was unreal. He is mentally way ahead of his age, really mature kid on and off the pitch. Karavaev was useful the first 2 games, he was the epitome of the Austria game however. His legs looked so heavy that game, and his giveaways were just laughable & criminal at the same time
    Zinchenko has the 2nd most tackles in Euro2020 with 12 so far. Will take a lot for me to criticize Zina & Malina after suffering through some of the most pathetic embarrassing central mids one can expect to have represent your team. Ruslan Rotan was the only quality guy in 15 years following the team closely. Sidorchuk was shockingly bad v. Austria, especially given he was the only one afforded rest v. Macedonia, Stepanenko will surely play this next game which is reassuring. Also btw Georgiy Sudakov is an immense talent, he was brilliant in the friendly with N. Ireland and the way Sheva hugged him after the game you can tell he expects great things from him. Shakhtar producing some center mid gems now with Zina, Malina and now Sudakov
    Surprised to see you bash Zubkov, not having him has been the catalyst for our struggles this tourney. Rewatch the first 10 min of the Holland game, we were a totally different team with his power & pace. He's a bit unrefined technically but unafraid to dribble at players. He has a good chance of being available for Sweden which will no doubt be a boost to us
     
  17. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Zabarniy is the center back moving forward, he plays out of the back really well, with pre-injury chigrinksi as a comp, but man marking mistakes have to be fixed. I hope I'm wrong about Zubkov. He's probably successful 1-1 in Hungarian fixtures but I haven't seen much. Sudakov really impressed me against N. Ireland.

    I think there is a certain intuition, a first introduction, a first impression where if a player is IT than you know it. I had that feeling with Konoplaynka against Romania years ago. I had that feeling with Sudakov. Conversely, my first impression of Yaremchuk was poor. Gladkiy 2.0 but he has certainly proven me wrong.

    If UA lose to Sweeden, is Sheva out? I think he has a longer leash because he is Sheva.
     
  18. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    I wasn't watching many games when Yaremchuk was still evergreen, I remember being so impressed with his off the ball movement and confident touches dribbling extending possession for support to arrive v. Portugal in Kyiv that secured us Euro spot. Since then he's developed his physique even more, he's an athletic specimen man. He needs to come good v. Sweden and his stock will sore even more

    Btw you were so right about Besedin haha he kinda has a goofy gait, more basketball player than soccer player its funny to watch. That back heel was absolutely criminal, he set them up perfectly for one of those classic Soviet choke jobs late, unreal...Artem Dovbyk is very raw but the few highlights I saw him playing for faux-Dnepr he looks like a potential beast striker. He had a stint @ Midtydjydjyland that didn't work because of injuries, but he rediscovered his game in Dnepr, still growing...

    and I think Sheva will stay through World Cup qualifiers, Milan keeping their coach for now, but Sheva is likely their next coach. I hope he stays and does both like his mentor Lobanovsky, we likely won't find a coach like Sheva again. Maybe even Rebrov after his weird stint in the middle east, he did a fantastic job in Hungary..
     
  19. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Ukraine v. Sweden again, Sheva potentially coaching us to another major quarterfinal like a certain other Balon d'Or winning Ukrainian before him, who also coached Ukraine to its 1st Euro win in 2012 v. Sweden (realistically Lobanovsky did that in Euro '88), while Sheva grabbed a famous double...was it written??

    Sweden are our ancestral forefathers too, epic storylines in this one...expecting us to play to our potential today, fresh legs and a new lease on life. Tough hard fought win today, 2-1 and we move on to face Germany in the quarterfinals on Sat (fingers crossed)
     
  20. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    #1520 yasik19, Jun 29, 2021
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2021
    Winner gets England.
     
  21. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
  22. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Bring on England.
     
  23. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Sheva surprised me greatly by preparing a much different starting roster than I expected. Using Zinchenko on the same position as in UPL should not have been surprising. I was more surprised by playing both Stepanenko and Sydorchuk. I thought this was too much of a defensive set-up, which will, most likely, be repeated against England.
     
  24. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Sheva pulled a classic New England & Bellichick move. We have only played 5 defender system in away qualifiers against powerhouses (Portugal & France). Don't think we even played 5 in Nations League v. Spain or Germany (maybe @ Germany). No only that he didn't start Malinovsky either, possibly hiding the fact he was injured v. Austria, or did he actually just bench him lol??

    Shaparenko was so important in the 1st half, he looked very cultured on the ball. Zabarniyi is an absolute revelation. The kid is 18 years old, and dove to win a foul near his own box late in the game, something only seasoned veteran defenders usually do. Yarmola & Zina on that 1st goal was just outrageous skill, and wow it just had to be the only Dnipro lad on the squad (3rd string striker only playing because of Besedin horrific injury, get better lad) to be the hero

    All of this btw stems from brilliant new Nations League idea instead of friendlies. We won Pot B with Czech & Scotland to secure not only Pot A practice with powerhouses Spain & Germany, but also an automatic spot in Euro2020 playoff stage. Having that assurance is the reason we played so loose & confident in qualifiers topping a group with Portugal & Serbia. Dreaming of more now, some serious Circle of Life type coincidences with Ukraine that I don't feel like listing out but that do exist. Viva UKPAIHA!!! <3
     
  25. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    - Shaparenko did show sophistication on the ball. We'll see how he does against England.
    - Not surprised Mikolenko was left on the bench. I don't think we see him this tournament unless UA is holding a lead late - and even still I would have my reservations.
    - Agree with Goliath, surprised to see Sydorchuk and Stepanenko on the pitch together and they're going to be out there again against England unless Stepanenko cant go. Continuity in attack was hampered when they got a touch but that's not their job. I did like the decision of putting Matvienko and Zabarniy center-wide
    - Malinovskiy is dangerous operating center, just outside the box, especially with those slip passes...Just needs to find Zapata to finish those. We still haven't seen his best, seems like he has a thunder bolt left in him yet

    - Alot of debate about the red card. It looked terrible, Danielson had the first touch. I'm biased so it's a red card for me. Thoughts?

    - My expectations have been lowered and I like to keep them that way. Hoping for Ukraine to absorb pressure and score in the second half. 1-0 - not a prediction just hope.
     

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