Euro 2020 Group B (Belgium / Denmark / Finland / Russia)

Discussion in 'Euro 2020 (2021)' started by nirvaanfc, Jun 6, 2021.

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Who finishes top two from Group B?

Poll closed Jun 16, 2021.
  1. Belgium

    95.8%
  2. Denmark

    62.5%
  3. Finland

    16.7%
  4. Russia

    12.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. eurodad

    eurodad Member+

    Mar 15, 2005
    Brampton
    Ya this group is sooo tight, not sure who makes it out of this one to be honest. As I type this, Denmark is up 1-0 over Belgium.
     
  2. Mean Machine

    Mean Machine Member+

    May 23, 2018
    Denmark is playing very well against Belgium. Not only are they leading, but if you've been watching the game, the Danes have been all over the Belgians and have been really dominating. If they keep up this intensity, the Danes will win this game.
     
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  3. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Enough already. Something like 100,000,000 are felled by heart disease or attacks every year. Erikson was one of them. That's life. This melodramatic assault on mortality we've been waging for the last 20 months seems to neglect the very real need to churn through populations to keep them healthy. Just stop with the racism nonsense and the melodrama. How about announcers stick to analyzing soccer instead of endlessly droning on with social commentary that a four year old regurgitates for brownie points to teacher.
     
  4. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    THis is the kind of match you need Lukaku to show quality and more times than not he fails. He'll miss two sitters, get a yellow and give away a dangerous free kick. EVERY TEAM has a stinker in every tournament. In my opinion the second game is a great place to have it.
     
  5. Felix Herve Caroll

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ivory Coast
    Belgium proves it's the best team for now.
     
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  6. SF19

    SF19 Member+

    Jun 8, 2013
    Belgium and Italy are well poised now. They will make for an interesting quarter-final, but I have to think Belgium take it.
     
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  7. Ariaga II

    Ariaga II Member

    Dec 8, 2018
    Schmeichel's idiocy at the end of the game reinforces my belief that the players and managers legitimately don't understand the intricacies of a 24-team tournament system. Goal difference matters, dude.

    If I was the Belgian coach, I would have given Denmark a sympathy-win and tactically arranged myself a path that doesn't include Italy in the QFs.
     
  8. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    If Denmark beat Russia by 1-0 or more at home and Belgium beat Finland by 1-0 or more in Russia, then Denmark will progress in 2nd place and most likely face Wales.
     
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  9. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no it is the response of someone to a person eho is unreasonable and impervious to facts

    but obviously didnt put you on ignore because that would be stupid. See you around
     
  10. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #160 Guinho, Jun 17, 2021
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2021

    The tie break involves a mini league first so Belgium results probably wont matter.

    Only a 1-0 Demark win would put all three teams on equal points, GD, and GS. Then it comes down to GD v Belgium, which puts Denmark ahead of Russia and probably Finland pending Belgium -Finland.

    If Denmark beats Russia by 2, then Denmark is second on GD and Finland is third, Russia last on GD of their mini league. A 2-1 scoreline puts Denmark second Russia third and Finland last on GS.

    if Russia wins or draws, Denmark is last, Russia second (unless Finns beat or draw Belgium).

    for Denmark, I think either they win and are second, or don't and are last. GD and Belgium-Finland results probably only matter for Russia and Finland, barring another Finnish upset
     
  11. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    As for the Denmark vs. Belgium game :

    Obviously without Eriksen on the pitch, except as motivation, then I hope people watching this game now understand that Denmark is not just some kind of a defensive minded one-man show, all about Eriksen playing well and doing the "trick".

    With Eriksen missing, Denmark had changed formation from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 (or really more like a 3-4-3), to keep a very high pressure on the Belgium defense which is their only actual "weakness", and it very much paid off in the first 45 minutes with 3 CB's (where Denmark has the most depth) fielding team captain Simon Kjær, AC Milan, Andreas Christensen (Chelsea) and Jannik Vestergaard (Southampton) to keep Romelu Lukaku "checkmate" and out of the game which worked perfectly.

    In the absence of Eriksen the very highly skilled but only 20-yo now former Denmark U-21 International Mikkel Damsgaard (Sampdoria) was given the opportunity to shine, and except for his rather immature dive in the 2nd half, he was highly impressive in my opinion, not least considering his age and the level of the opponent in question.

    In the second half, where players would get more tired and it so would be impossible to keep up the same high pressure and pace, Denmark changed to a 4-3-3 and then 4-4-2 formation, at first subbing in Christian Nørgaard (Brentford) in midfield to keep a closer eye on Kevin De Bruyne and Axel Witsel and then also replacing a well playing Damsgaard with the more genuine striker Andreas Cornelius (Parma), but also adding a more attacking minded and excellent "passing foot" Mathias Jensen (Brentford) in midfield to replace a tough defensive minded and more "primitive" playing Thomas Delaney (Borussia Dortmund). it did add some more power to the attack at the end of the game, but unfortunately Kevin De Bruyne was just unstoppable.
     
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  12. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    That is generally correct, but if Finland can somehow scratch out a goal and only lose 2-1, and Denmark wins 1-0 against Russia, it will come down to fair play. Not unlike Senegal/Japan at the last World Cup, when Senegal was eliminated due to a single additional yellow card.

    Currently Denmark has 3 yellows, and Finland 4.
     
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  13. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Just to completely close the circle, if fair play ends in a tie, the next tiebreaker is the Euro 2020 qualifying records. Denmark had 16 points against 4 teams, while Finland had 18 points against 5 teams. Presumably Finland's two matches against 6th place Liechtenstein would be discarded, leaving them with 12 points to Denmark's 16, and Denmark would be awarded second place in Group B.

    Let's hope it doesn't come down to that.
     
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  14. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only "fact" that matters here are that the heart can stop for reasons other than a heart attack. Taylor's point asserted otherwise.
     
  15. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is what Twellman actually said: "So, reaching out to a FIFA medical committee member, George Chiampas, who is the chief medical officer of the United States Soccer Federation. And you look at it from a doctor’s perspective. Two ways, was it contact or was it non-contact? This was non-contact. And so that means this is his heart.”

    So: 1) Twellman consulted with a doctor, 2) He never said it was a heart attack, he said it was a problem with his heart, which is pretty obvious when you have CPR being given.

    Again, he never said it was a heart attack.
     
  16. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Again, Belgium x Finland doesn’t impact the tiebreaker for second. Tiebreaker is head to head
     
  17. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    (1) the doctor never examined the patient so he has no idea what the problem was; (2) CPR is given when the heart stops but that doesn’t mean the health malady relates to the heart, as ive explained at length.
     
  18. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Denmark 1-2 Belgium. What a pity. The whole world, everybody who is not Belgian, was rooting for the Danes today. They had a phenomenal start. The pity is that they had so many scoring opportunities in the first 15 minutes but only bagged one! They could have killed the game then and there, with, say, a 3-0 lead. Then, little by little the Belgians imposed their superiority, and came back from behind to win the game. De Bruyne showed the difference he can make, and the Danes were history, not before threatening to tie. Very good game, and like the other posters here (and I'm sure, this is shared by the entire soccer world if you are not Russian), I very much want the Danes to beat the Russians and still qualify. They really deserve it. They are actually a very good team. They lost to Finland by accident, being shocked with what happened to Christian. Then they faced the #1 ranked team in the world and almost beat (or tied) them. But after two games, this very good team is threatened with elimination. I hope the Soccer Gods intervene and send them through.
     
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  19. Mean Machine

    Mean Machine Member+

    May 23, 2018
    I think Denmark can beat Russia 2-0. After watching the last game that both teams played, Russia was very underwhelming despite winning, and Denmark was very impressive despite losing. Remember, its Belgium who they lost to not just any random team. Belgium is probably top 5 in the world and definitely top 5 in Europe at least.
     
  20. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    If it's a 3-way tie though, it can eventually go to overall group record if still tied after comparing the teams that are level on points, and it will if Denmark beats Russia 1-0.

    https://en.as.com/en/2021/06/10/football/1623313366_179645.html
     
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  21. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #171 Ceres, Jun 18, 2021
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2021
    By recommendation from both Danish and foreign experts, it has now been decided that Eriksen will undergo surgery, not for any physical damage, but so he will get an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator (ICD) that will keep him safe and secure that he do not need to worry if this will ever happen to him again.
     
  22. portugamerifinn

    portugamerifinn Member+

    Feb 22, 2005
    Bay Area / London
    And I immediately think of Kamara getting an early yellow v. Russia for stepping on a toe making an honest challenge minutes after his ankle was stamped on badly without even drawing a foul...
     
  23. Mr X

    Mr X Member

    Denmark
    Jun 6, 2012
    Wouldn't Finland go through then since they've already beaten Denmark?
     
  24. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    No, because it's still a 3 way tie between Denmark, Russia and Finland
     
  25. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    Yeah I found the Schmeichel move dumb. It could have backfired with another goal for Belgium which would have dented a bit Denmark's hope of advancing.

    I don't agree on the latter though. If you want to be champions you need to beat some big teams on the way anyway. You can't influence how the brackets shape up. You better go out and go for the win in each game.
    Especially Belgium have several players who need still to find their rythym. Hence they need to take these games as seriously as possible so the stars can be ready once they'll face the big boys in the latter stages of the tournament. Besides it is important to keep up a good mood in the camp. If you are successfull and win games it's a good way to strenghen the confidence within the squad.
     
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