Honduras - USA CONCACAF Nations League Semifinal (Thursday, 6/3) pre/in/postgame thread [R]

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  1. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    #26 chris thebassplayer, Jun 4, 2021
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2021
    The over the top criticism is off base...he has a particular role in GB's system and Honduras would collapse both of their forwards on him when we brought the ball from the back line. He made some critical defensive plays. He was generally good, but a plain passing game.

    The US team is loaded with young talent but hasn't had enough time to play together. The understanding and combo play are still a work in progress. They haven't figured out what to expect from each other yet, but it will come with more time....unfortunately for nats teams there is generally not enough time to really gell, especially with young players.

    Jackson hit a number of balls to players who either weren't anticipating the pass, or simply didn't check back to the ball fast enough to beat the defender from stepping in front.

    I agree with GB it was a fantastic learning experience for the young starlets on his team to go up against a hardnosed cagey concacaf team...it was all on display, the dark arts, baiting, time wasting....totally frustrating to play against...it is tough to play against a physical team that is destroying the flow of the game at all times. they make the game unwatchable, and by default you can look really bad playing against that nonsense, but it is highly effective for them.

    Jackson played it down a bit with his passing, probably because he didn't have a ton of confidence the guy receiving it would be on the same page.

    He is taking some heat for not being proactive with his seam splitting passes, but he needs to know the guy on the other end is reading the same thing he is reading...and not truncating his run or not expecting the pass.

    He has a place on the nats, they all need more time to trust and have confidence in how each other plays.

    An open comment to his teammates on the nats...

    Don't sleep on those Yueill passes, finish your runs if he looks off you and expect the ball at all times.
     
  2. SJTillIDie

    SJTillIDie Member+

    Aug 23, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    in modern parlance, #6 refers to the defensive-mid, #8 to the two-way cm, and #10 a more attack-oriented mid.
     
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  3. Sactown Soccer

    Jul 29, 2007
    Redding
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Teams don't play with a stopper and sweeper anymore. Not pro teams at least. You might still find that in rec youth leagues or Sunday league. There is typically a right center back and left center back. In this case I'd think 4 and 5 would be the center backs' and 6 is the defensive mid. But many players don't stick to wearing those numbers that much these days. However 6, 8, and 10 are often used to refer to defensive, box-to-box, and center attacking mid positions, and 9 the Center Forward. For whatever reason you don't hear announcers referring to the wings or defensive positions with numbers.
     
  4. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    Nobody is going to mention Honduras's disgusting diving and time wasting? Ugly soccer at its height. :thumbsdown::mad:
     
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  5. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The #6 refers is the defensive-mid?

    Really?

    I always thought that #6 was always Sweeper./Libero and # 3 was left back.....

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  6. Sactown Soccer

    Jul 29, 2007
    Redding
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No one uses a stopper and/or sweeper in the modern game, just a right center back, and a left center back. One could argue that our team might be the exception with us having one free non-marking center back. However in possession they drop and spread wide like a right and left center back
     
  7. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The Quakes currently don't have anyone capable of playing either postion whichever way look at it.

    Maybe Florian Jungwirth comes close but not really close to the old school defenders.
     
  8. ant0n

    ant0n Member+

    Jun 12, 2007
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gregg screwing this midfield setup up with no patterns of play and ridiculously late subs with our added depth. This is not better than Klinsmann's US teams. Or Bradley's.
     
  9. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I'd say the Hondurans out-strategized us, given how effective they were in shutting down the attack for 88 minutes. Less talent, better game plan. If not for that header, Berhalter might be out of a job today.
     
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  10. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #35 falvo, Jun 4, 2021
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2021
    From what little I saw against Honduras, the USA have good individual talent like Pulisic , McKennie and Reyna.

    The problem seemed that they lacked continuity and cohesion.

    Qualifying for the WC (as we saw in 2017) won’t be easy and its certainly not a given. They still have a long way to go.

    Hopefully, they will develop a bond and get better if they keep doing well and advancing in this tournament. That is what many national teams do in later rounds.

    The Gold Cup could be a good testing ground for WCQ matches.

    Let’s just hope they don’t get worse like last time. They made 4th place at the Copa America then ended getting eliminated from the World Cup the next year.

    One good newcomer that I never seen or heard of was Jordan Siebatcheu. He scored the winning goal after entering the game as a late substitution.

    I can’t remember a US team having a super sub scoring a winner in recent memory but he seems like he is a good one.



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    Friday, June 4, 2021


    by Mike Woitalla
    USA-HONDURAS EXPRESS:
    June 1 in Denver
    USA 1 Honduras 0. Goals: Siebatcheu 89.
    * * * * * * * * * *


    USA Player Ratings
    (1=low; 5=middle; 10=high.)

    GOALKEEPER

    Player (Club) caps/goals (age)
    5
    Zack Steffen (Manchester City/ENG) 22/0 (26)
    DEFENDER

    Player (Club) caps/goals (age)
    3
    Antonee Robinson (Fulham/ENG) 11/0 (23)
    6
    John Brooks (Wolfsburg/GER) 42/3 (28)
    4
    Mark McKenzie (Genk/BEL) 4/0 (22)
    4
    Sergino Dest (Barcelona/ESP) 9/1 (20)
    MIDFIELDERS

    Player (Club) caps/goals (age)
    6
    Weston McKennie (Juventus/ITA) 23/6 (22)
    4
    Jackson Yueill (San Jose Earthquakes) 11/0 (24)
    4
    Sebastian Lletget (LA Galaxy) 22/7 (28)
    FORWARDS

    Player (Club) caps/goals (age)
    7
    Gio Reyna (Bor. Dortmund/GER) 6/2 (18)
    6
    Josh Sargent (Werder Bremen/GER) 15/5 (21)
    6
    Christian Pulisic (Chelsea/ENG) 37/16 (22)
    SUBSTITUTES
    Jordan Siebatcheu scored the gamewinner 11 minutes after coming in for Sargent, who toiled for the ball but had not gotten anything close the chance that Siebatcheu finished efficiently.
    Player (Club) caps/goals (age)
    5
    Brenden Aaronson (Red Bull Salzburg/AUT) 6/2 (20)
    5
    Reggie Cannon (Boavista/POR) 16/0 (22)
    7
    Jordan Siebatcheu (Young Boys/SUI) 4/1 (25)
    5
    Kellyn Acosta (Colorado Rapids) 28/2 (25)
    nr
    Matt Miazga (Anderlecht/BEL) 22/1 (25)


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  11. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/fc-dallas/2017/12/07/20-years-why-soccer-numbers-matter/

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