2021 Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Doogh, Feb 22, 2021.

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  1. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    They are also getting legit ass built. Louisville's is downright impressive.
     
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  2. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
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  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there a name for Birmingham vs. Memphis? "El Bubbaco" maybe?
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're an expansion club (2018) that play on 4 different stadiums around a city that already has 2 A-League teams, 9 AFL teams and a rugby league team, that have already rebranded once.

    They don't have a stadium but play at four different venues.

    They are planning to build A-League's first soccer specific stadium if they last that long.
     
  5. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The jokes are too obvious on this one, so I'll leave it to the pros.
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Rising's new stadium is looking pretty good. Their old one is only 4 years old.

    In with the new:
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    Out with the old:
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  7. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's too simplistic of a response tho. A-League has been struggling pretty much since it was founded. While Western United's attendance is really bad, the league has largely struggled as a whole. The Victory are the most successful and average about 20k a game and only a handful regularly average over 10k (Sydney FC, Perth, Brisbane, Western Sydney). But even then, that's just the symptom of a much larger issue. Until recently their federation was run with an iron fist by Frank Lowy and his family, the league's expansion process has been very questionable, and if you think American Eurosnobs are bad, you should see Australia's.

    Long story short, if you ever wondered what MLS would look like without Beckham and the successful expansions, look no further than A-League. It's a mess.
     
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  8. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That's actually a low number for New Mexico. They averaged over 12k in 2019 as an expansion team. The Birmingham number is interesting because the combined average attendance of those two teams in 2019 was over 11k and the cities are about 220 miles apart straight down I-22. I'm wondering if they ran a deal for travelling fans. They played at Legion Field instead of their usual BBVA stadium which only holds 5,000.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree but I was responding to that particular article which was 100% about Western United. The wisdom of admitting a suburban club without a stadium to an already crowded market, in a league which itself is struggling, seems questionable at best.
     
  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Go read the article again? It's not 100% about Western United. Western United was just a starting point to explore other issues with A-League.. I mean, the title of the article is "A-League issues run deep but we must not give up"...
     
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  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've read it again. It's 90% about Western United.
     
  12. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It's maybe 20-25% about Western United.
     
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  13. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    The author is using Western United as an example of the overall problem the A League is facing.
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keep scrolling down. There is an ad block conveniently located at what seems like a natural stopping point. Get past the ad block and it starts to cover a lot more than just Western United.
     
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  15. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Last I checked Australia has a smaller population than Canada, so it's no wonder the A League will have financial issues. Even with their salary cap structure of about $2mm per team.
     
  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps, but the other football codes pack them in compared to A-League. The sport is also relatively popular in Australia, they just watch European soccer.

    But even outside that, the sport has a reputation problem in Australia. The belief that soccer players are weak and over dramatic is quite a bit worse than even in the US. To the point that a former national team player and the most prominent cheerleader for the sport wrote an autobiography named after slurs for females, homosexuals, and foreigners that is commonly aimed at the sport by fans of the other codes. Add in how the media seems to love putting out stories about “widespread violence” at A-League games while ignoring the worse violence at games for the other codes which causes families to be tentative about going to games.
     
  17. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was about to add, complete with the ticket gimmicks of the early 2000 MLS era as well. Every ticket was $5, they were running a BOGO for a later game and also were giving away free tickets if you took a selfie with a giant traveling Legion branded ball and posted it to social media.

    And yeah, they played at Legion Field because it had rained pretty hard the prior week and the field they usually play on has horrible drainage so it was basically waterlogged/unplayable at the time.

    Also no name for the rivalry as far as I can tell, although they seem to go back and forth on social media about their BBQ. *shrugs*
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And soccer is lower down the pecking order in Australia than in Canada.
     
  19. SabreKhan

    SabreKhan Member+

    Jun 25, 2007
    United States
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The expansion newness will have worn off. I'd generally expect lower numbers than Year One.

    Legion Field is a significant downgrade in facilities from their usual stadium, and is in an awful neighborhood.

    Nah, Birmingham is all hipsters and yuppies, at least the soccer crowds are. The concessions at games are all craft beers and overpriced food trucks. I'd assume something relatively similar about the soccer crowd in Memphis, though I can't say for certain.
     
  20. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you pay stadium prices for legacy beers, you are a fool. I'm not a hipster, I'll buy a bud light at the VFW, but if you want to charge crazy prices, you better not offer me bud light.
     
  21. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any Wellington Phoenix fans here?
     
  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on their attendance woes.. I'm not sure there are any Phoenix fans in NZ. ;)
     
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  23. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just find their brand cool. I follow Asian football closely so...
     
  24. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I followed the Victory for a while. Had a friend in another online forum (non-soccer) who was a Victory fan who lived outside of Melbourne. Got him following the Rapids and he got me following the Victory. Though as a Blackburn fan I had to swear the Victory off when they made their most recent coaching choice.
     
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  25. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I followed Perth while I was living in Hawaii, but that stopped once I got back to normal Earth.
     

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