Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

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  1. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Maybe, but they should also be grateful for knowing them, and understanding them.

    Anger, frustration, resentment - these are all common emotions that should be accepted, and when a player feels a need to talk to the press about them - then it should how deeply those emotions are felt.

    If you truly care about your players, then your response to that shoudl be "wow how did it get this far without knowing how frustrated/resentful our player has been feeling?", rather than "how dare they vent their feelings to the public".

    Regardless, Pulisic's statement isn't all that egregious.
     
  2. Beastmode21

    Beastmode21 Member+

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    Wow thought there was a minimum age to post on BS, but okay.
    Should Jorginho and Azpi be pissed they weren’t used as a sub at Fulham? Pulisic got on, why not them? Should they be asking for a transfer? Would their interviews be any different after that game? Pulisic had played as well as he’s ever played and with that, we have to accept, if we care any about his hamstrings, that he won’t start an important game or two, even when healthy, and that is okay AND he has every right to be pissed. That’s sports.

    I’m sure Mark called him after and said “calm the F down, I get the fire, but calm down”

    Mountain out of a mole hill...
     
  3. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Y'know, you could just make a straightforward statement of your opinion rather than asking rhetorical questions.

    Just saying! :)

    Anyway, your 'question' implies that Havertz is less of a player than CP and, over the past few months, that's not been the case. They're very different, obviously, but both have played their part in our current improvement in form.

    If your 'question' is implying that Werner started in this game rather than CP, as I've already said, I think that TT considers Werner a player more accustomed to being the main focal point of attack and, on that basis alone, played him. So the alternative wouldn't have been CP... it would have been Giroud or Abraham.

    Also, as it happens, Havertz, Giroud and Abraham are more effective in defence on set pieces as they're all good in the air, as Havert showed last night when he hit the bar.
     
  4. Beastmode21

    Beastmode21 Member+

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    The wild swings in this thread between: “Pulisic should hang up his boots, too injury prone, not as good as Reyna and aaronson” to “Pulisic is too good for Chelsea, coach sucks, should leave and be the star man at Real Madrid” cracks me up.
     
  5. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    What CP said last night was actually pretty anodyne, tbh. It was a fella making it clear that he wants to be playing every game and, frankly, if he didn't say something like that, his manager would think he wasn't bothered.

    Unfortunately some people start to read between the lines to a rather ridiculous extent when it's someone they follow avidly.

    It happens!
     
  6. DrunkOffPunch

    DrunkOffPunch Member

    United States
    Jul 14, 2020
    905 of a possible 1,620 minutes . I wouldn’t call that a ton. FWIW Havertz and Werner both have gone the full 90’ 8 times each in the same time frame. I’m not doing the math but I’m sure it’s much more than Pulisic’s minutes.
     
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  7. Beastmode21

    Beastmode21 Member+

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    Seattle, WA
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    He’s subbed in 3 of the last 9. And last I checked Werner and Kai don’t have hamstring problems that need to be managed.
     
  8. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

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    The problem for Pulisic is that his pace and quick dribbling make him an end of game threat against tired legs, so that makes a manager went to put him on as a sub. However, his dribbling and passing skills are available at any point in the game, e.g. minute 14 against Real Madrid, so that beckons managers to start him. Pulisic is not a number 9, and Mason Mount is too strong offensively and defensively to leave off. Therefore, in a 3 player attack each match it is a choice between Kavertz and Pulisic to start. It's a tough choice. The more goals that Christian scores or assists, the harder it is to keep him on the bench. It's ultimately up to him.
     
  9. DrunkOffPunch

    DrunkOffPunch Member

    United States
    Jul 14, 2020
    Lmao. Calls me a kid but you’re the one making personal attacks. Stay classy. Pulisic didn’t play vs Fulham. There’s a huge difference between a domestic game against a relegation team and the 2nd leg of a CL semifinal. Never said Pulisic should transfer.
     
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  10. TimB4Last

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    In fact. those two are about as rugged as they come!​
     
  11. DrunkOffPunch

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    Jul 14, 2020
    Quit moving the goalposts. Either he has played a ton of minutes like you’ve said or he hasn’t. Convenient you use 9 games and subs beings he was an unused sub last game and the cutoff of 9 games was right before 2 times where he didn’t make the bench and another unused sub. He’s started 5/15 EPL games under Tuchel.
     
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  12. truefan420

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    If that players value is more to Chelsea than elsewhere they won’t move them until it’s right for them. Chelsea have yet to have their hand forced and won’t bend. I doubt Pulisic wants to leave and this is mostly just a bunch of people overreacting as always in this thread.
     
  13. Beastmode21

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    He did play
    and most of those are before March. This is about how many games he had played under lampard when his hamstring gave. I’m thoroughly appreciative of this type of man management
     
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  14. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

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    Hazard asked to move multiple times and they told him no. Chelsea will move a player only when it suits their needs. If their valuation isn’t met they won’t move. Someone was saying Pulisic for 60. Chelsea wouldn’t let him go a loss and unlikely less than 100. This thread is once again in massive overreaction mode. Bro you legit referred to it as life imprisonment. Please tell me you see how ridiculous of a comment that is.
     
  15. Noriega7

    Noriega7 Member

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    #46740 Noriega7, May 6, 2021
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    Agreed..

    I think the Champions League Final will be a huge moment...If CP comes off the bench again, I think he'll probably look for a move...It's clear he does not cherish the bench impact role, eventhough it may have worked for the team.

    but as you said, only CP opinion counts here regardless of Chelsea success or their fan views on the matter..
     
  16. Dirt McGirt

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    CHO when he was trying to leave for Bayern. Didn't Jose banish a few senior players to play with the academy kids? Not really holding them hostage, but not player friendly behavior by the club.
     
  17. Noriega7

    Noriega7 Member

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    #46742 Noriega7, May 6, 2021
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    It'll depend on CP's contract...I just checked and after this year, he'll have an additional 3 years left...so Chelsea holds a lot of strength if they want to keep him beyond next year...if he had 2 years left, than they'd have to sell him or risk his value depreciate if he's really not happy as an impact sub.

    His Chelsea contract ends summer 2024
     
  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

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    Tuchel is still in his maiden voyage. Wait until the other managers "get" him. It happened to Klopp.
     
  19. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

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    That is a bad defense, and didn't work at Nuremberg.
     
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  20. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

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    Lol that's certainly a sentence I didn't expect to read in this thread.
     
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  21. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

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    Check out my sig line. Been going on a loooooong time.
     
  22. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    When you compare his performance to Lampard's, it does make me wonder what the proper way to evaluate a coaches impact is. Generally I think they can lose you matches with horrible decisions, and a disorganized approach/mind, but that they aren't going to win you games, generally speaking, with their decisions, the players are.

    But this may be an example of where that argument falls flat because the difference in performance of the same player pool for Tuchel vs Lampard is as stark as you may ever see. It's mind boggling, and frustrating considering the usage with Pulisic. Otoh, he's finally healthy for a handful of games in a row which has been nice too.
     
  23. NorcalHockeyhooligan

    Feb 25, 2012
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    Everton FC
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    United States
    For selfish reasons, if CP moves on from Chelsea, I hope it's to a club that's easy tv viewing for me. I don't want to have to subscribe to something or upgrade cable package to watch him...
     
  24. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Could be but honestly, I generally find myself wondering how much of the usage is related to health. After the past three years it wouldn't be crazy for a anyone to think that Pulisic just can't hold up as an every game starter, period. I don't know if that's true, but 2017-2021 has an absolute ton of games missed due to a variety of strains/deep tissue type injuries. Maybe part of it is due to defensive committment, part of it might be due to simply rotating the guys in and out for freshness, part of it could be hot hand, and part of it could be Pulisic's injury trend line and tendency to go down with something repeatedly if used in a bunch of matches in a row. You could also even argue that it's as simple as "Pulisic is easily the best of the options in a "quick off the bench attacking sub" to kill a game off and possibly add an extra goal as well.

    I don't know what the answer is, I just know there are a ton of possibilities, and if I'm Pulisic, if it keeps up, I'd definitely leave (if the health angle appears to be resolved) asap.
     
  25. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    Ya never know! But when talking about RM, it is important to understand why many normal Spaniards genuinely hate them.
     

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