Last comment....ok...probably not...but I really don’t get the vitriol and lumping together of UEFA and FIFA in all this. Imagine how much better, and healthier...UEFA club football would be if the member organizations, the individual country FA’s that run the domestic leagues, had the power that coalitions of tiny FA’s have in FIFA. The champions league is already set up to benefit the rich clubs over the less rich and poor ones. The exact opposite is true with FIFA. Do those FA’s corruptly squander those resources? Sure. But imagine if a much larger share of the prize money went to the FA’s rather then the clubs. Hell...give it all to the FA’s and let them to determine how to spread it out amongst their members. The poor clubs would be a hell of a lot better off for it...and the rich clubs might actually have to work for it for a change.
There was no threat to national leagues. That's a red herring produced by those defending the status quo. A SL could have produced far larger solidarity payments for the grassroots than they'll ever get from the corruptocrats at FIFA. Oh, well. It's done. No biggie. The selfish and naïve have scuppered something new. Change is hard. Such is life.
100% agree. That's how bad the ESL idea was and how badly it was presented. PR disaster. For as crappy as FIFA is about corruption and power, at least FIFA isn't as barefaced and cynical as the ESL is. Hating the ESL doesn't mean we all love FIFA. We just knew between the two options which one was preferable. FIFA still needs more reform. I think FIFA isn't today quite the total cesspool it was from the time of Joao H to Sepp Blatter, but maybe in the aftermath of this ESL debacle, more reforms, transparency and democracy can be added. Fans and popular support against the plan killed the ESL. If fans really put their minds to it, FIFA reform could be next. Not saying it will happen, just saying maybe this will encourage fans to exercise their influence more than they've have been. One idea to kick of the discussion. Add an elected fan representative to the FIFA Council for each of FIFA's confederations.
Indeed. I see a nasty brew of xenophobia and resistance to change. The condescension is dripping in some quarters. A SL could have easily developed into an annual world cup and funneled massive amounts of cash into all levels of the sport. Sadly, that won't be happening any time soon.
Are you delusional? Are you smoking the same shit that Perez has been smoking in Madrid? The idea that SL would have funneled "massive amounts of cash into all levels of the sort" is beyond farcical.
According to the BBC, All four remaining English clubs are out. Perez and Agnelli can get together and find other clubs. Those bastards folded like a bunch of cheap suits.
Don't get how you think clubs. some of whom likely aren't even good enough to qualify for the CL from their own leagues, drawing the trapdoor behind them in some made for tv Superleague, would be good for football.
Statement from Milan ultras: “Honestly, it makes us laugh to see all those people in the control room of football suddenly claim we fans are first and foremost. “The Super League is just the latest in a long line of innumerable manoeuvres over decades that has made football into a business. “The birth of this new competition would certainly be another shove to the football of old, which is by now a distant memory, and will inevitably obscure the tradition of the various national leagues, robbing football of the undeniable principle of sporting meritocracy. “But the thing that most leaves us indignant is the hypocrisy of all those who contributed to making this sport nothing but a business, those who today stand up in name of the fans, but only because they saw their remunerative and seemingly untouchable project fall apart. “Football did belong to the people until the 1990s, when the Champions League was born, destroying the old European Cup. From that moment, an unbreachable chasm has been created between the big and small clubs. “Football did belong to the people even when nobody lifted a finger to stop the increase of ticket prices that was imposed by some Presidents. “Football did belong to the people even when nobody stepped in to stop the rise of the super agents, who took player salaries to ever more astronomical figures, which could only be sustained with TV rights, the same TV companies that imposed increasingly chaotic fixture lists, with games on improbable days and kick-off times. “Football did belong to the people even when rules were imposed to stop any rapport between the players and the fans. “Football did belong to the people even when Supercoppa Finals were played on other continents or the dates of some games were changed a few days before kick-off, damaging those fans who had booked trains or planes to get to the stadium. “Football did belong to the people even when some clubs were allowed to circumvent Financial Fair Play, while others with less influential Presidents were penalised. “Football did belong to the people even when the World Cup was forced to Qatar in 2022, despite moving the entire calendar and disregarding human rights violations. “We could list numerous other examples to show the absolute hypocrisy of the words we’re hearing from the football chiefs over the last 48 hours. “The Super League is just the latest disgusting step, but those who took football to this point are no less grotesque, so save us these ludicrous performances of rhetoric and morality. “Now that the money is running out, feel free to fight it out between yourselves, but don’t you dare name the fans. PIGS!”
Agreed, its how the American revenue sharing model benefits all its teams, at least within the NFL. It's why NFL teams can be complete dog crap but still make boatloads of cash.
Yup Sorry dude, you're wrong. UEFA's revenues from Euroleague/CL and EC end up for over 85% with the clubs and the FA members. From the CL billions most of it end up with the clubs participating. This sl was intended to kill the CL and reserve those billions for the happy few. This plot would for instance murder the whole pyramid system we have in the Netherlands built for the development of our talents. it would have ment the end of the Orange Squad as a power from such a tiny country, if this shitshow had succeeded taking off.
We don't want your American system its boring. We want promotion and relegation, competing for Europe and cup competitions. Meaningful games. We don't want a closed shop in terms of a league. It may be fine for American sports but Europeans can't think of anything worse. It will make the rich clubs richer and destroy hundreds of years of heritage and history for your plastic franchises.
This is where I think the real stupidity of this plan shines thru. The idea of the SL leading to greater profits had to come from TV rights. But the knuckleheads in charge misread every possible angle. 1) The European situation - nuff said. 2) USA - did they really think they were going to get NFL type money? That's just delusional. But then again the leaders of this are NFL owners who bought in moderately high and have managed to turn the NFL into a rotting corpse, while still managing to convince the only stupider business people in the world (media execs) that they are filet mignon. 3) Middle East and China? Maybe the only chance for real increased revenue. But is it worth it? Watching a few of these clubs being re-possessed by creditors would be a very good thing for not just soccer, but sports in the long-run.
Sorry dude, you're clueless. FIFA has nothing to do with the intentions of the sl. That's the UEFA. And no, the money made by UEFA goes for the overwhelmingly part to the members. The red herring is the solidarity payments from those sl clubs. If they're really that benevolent, they wouldnot be pushing for ever more money from the CL at the cost of the smaller clubs/smaller FA's. Talk is cheap, real behaviour shows what they are.
He explained young/future fans have a very short attention span Fair play to Florentino Pérez. He said modern attention spans were getting shorter, looked at the 123-year-old Football League, realised that wouldn't do, and devised a competition that was done and dusted 48 hours after it began.— Jonathan Wilson (@jonawils) April 20, 2021 So he created the shortest lasting superleague evah
Reportedly, Perez offered South American clubs a chance to play in a SL. That is potentially billions of dollars for South American soccer. When was the last time UEFA did something similar with Champions league money? It would have been far better for supporters to take to the streets to demand SL solidarity payments than doing that to wipe UEFA's corrupt bum. Clubs are in the community and obviously susceptible to pressure. UEFA/FIFA sitting in Switzerland not so much. There is somebody delusional here and it isn't me.
Mmm, if you can't distinguish between an act of generosity and a desperate last attempt to fill the sl roster ..... Does that fit the description of delusional?
How is that gonna work? Is Real Madrid going to travel to Boca Juniors on a Wednesday to play? No way. Talk about delusional...
Why don't the "top" European and South American sides just move to somewhere like Monaco and play and televise a 24/7 round robin on a plastic pitch, make up their own rules, hire their own refs, no winners, no relegations, no fans, no taxes?
That would work fine...except that Monaco itself came out against the SL. I guess they would have to find a more exotic location.
Ok.....I am not being charitable anymore. Are you frankly that obtuse? Do you really really how stupid what you "reportedly" heard and wrote above? Geez, I can't with those morons.