News: European Super League Or Bust - The OTT [R]

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
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    I like it with super rugby as well

    There are no easy games - all 5 NZ franchises are tough games. The Aussie teams are weaker, because their grass roots rugby is weaker. The South African franchises are also very good.
     
  2. J'can

    J'can Member+

    Jul 3, 2007
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    There was a zippy and a Lynne. There was also a bex79 that came later. I think she was from the manchester area if I am not mistaken
     
  3. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member+

    May 12, 2012
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    Lynne still posts some on the US national teams threads.
     
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  4. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
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    i know both exist. was referring to the time period. don't remember who came first or who was actually around with those other members
     
  5. Pulp

    Pulp Member+

    Feb 13, 2013
    TO / CA
    Shoutout to Sdotsom and Mtp07 (sp?), Joelzinho too. You expect turnover on internet forums, but sometimes it's hard not to get nostalgic for yesteryear.
     
  6. Pulp

    Pulp Member+

    Feb 13, 2013
    TO / CA
    Will always hold out hope that DS will make a random reappearance once day.

    NM probably joined the Communist League. Either that or grew up, got married and had kids. Or both!
     
  7. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    Jamaica
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    Antilla
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    Manchester United FC
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    Jamaica
    i'll add BradyKuhn to that. he might have had a 24 on the end of the name but he was the jersey guy for sure. usually had the set of three kits for the season.

    he helped me a lot to find some jerseys as well
     
  8. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    Jamaica
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    Antilla
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    Manchester United FC
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    Jamaica
    back to the topic at hand though, i still don't believe this is more than a bluff or social experiment/toe in the water thing but hypothetically if they did adopt the American model with salary cap and all of that then would players just be traded?

    i posed the question earlier would transfers be limited to teams within the league now? particularly if we assume UEFA/FIFA block them? the smaller clubs wouldn't be the feeders anymore so what? out of contract players only can enter the pool?

    or a draft pick model? i'm not too familiar with how that works or if clubs will basically be willing to try to take turns so everyone can (try to) win
     
  9. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    No, they all got sense unlike us losers.....
     
  10. JC7rox

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    Manchester United FC, LAFC
    Jun 11, 2004
    West Coast, Cali!
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    Wtf? Lamenting past members and no one shouts out @SirManchester??


    For shame.
     
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  11. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I am deeply embarrassed. Another legend.
     
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  12. CybrSlydr

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    Jun 30, 2013
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    Frankly, I think FIFA should mandate that all the leagues adopt a salary cap. It can't work if only one league does it because that league would be at a significant financial disadvantage to the leagues that don't have one.

    The only way a salary cap would work is if all players involved in the competitions were forced to adopt one. And I totally support a salary cap in all football leagues around the globe.

    I don't think a uniform cap would work because leagues in countries aren't all the same. It might work within UEFA since that's where the vast majority of the money is, but say if you went to MLS and said you now have a salary cap of $150m/yr, that wouldn't work simply because there isn't nearly that much money in the American game yet. I think the salary cap in MLS is currently around $4m/yr (just checked, $5.1m/yr)? Perhaps over the next couple of decades, as the money starts to accrue in the smaller leagues, they would increase it slowly to match growth.
     
  13. Naboomagnoli

    Naboomagnoli Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Pouring one out for incighte, MileHighRD and tscboys. Injury has robbed the USMNT of three of the great proponents of high performance culture. At least tscgirl is having fun.
     
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  14. jeff070

    jeff070 Member+

    Dec 31, 2004
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    I won't forget when NM showed at a bar in Philly for the Wigan game I think that sealed the title. Cool dude. Maybe 2008? or 2007? I cannot remember.
     
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  15. Red Jeph

    Red Jeph Member+

    Aug 26, 2006
    Chicago
    That
    All that will do is make the discrepancy between leagues larger and make the traditionally successful clubs in smaller/less profitable leagues irrelevant.
     
  16. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
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    How? If everyone in UEFA has the same salary cap at the top league and each lower league has matching caps, then how does it make the smaller/less profitable leagues irrelevant? They already operate at a significant financial difference than the top leagues, yet it doesn't make them less profitable already? This just makes it so those that are at the top-top (I.E. the 6 forming the ESL) can't blow everyone away and spend it all on players.

    Premiere League: $150m/yr cap
    Championship: $85m/yr cap
    L1: $50m/yr cap
    etc

    These are just numbers I'm pulling out of thin air to illustrate the concept.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...alt-lead-to-fears-for-efl-clubs-idUSL5N2CG5Y3

    So then what do the teams spend all that extra TV revenue on that used to go to player transfers and salaries? I don't know, how about novel things like stadium upkeep, youth development academies, training facilities, community outreach programs, PAYING OFF THE RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF DEBT THEY'VE SADDLED THEIR TEAMS WITH?

    EDIT: This would also continue the solidarity payments to help support the lower leagues financially.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    Damn - forgot those guys as well

    and of course Prawn Sandwich!

    ... and Billy ireland!!
     
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  18. Pulp

    Pulp Member+

    Feb 13, 2013
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    Classic poster. Huge Big Lebowski fan, from what I recall.
     
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  19. CybrSlydr

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    Columbus Crew
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    And if you're wanting to let those teams that earn significantly more money utilize it in salary/transfers, then how about giving each team an optional $25m/yr they can infuse into the transfer budget above the salary cap. That way everyone has the option of doing so, but it won't give the teams that do a ridiculous advantage, but enough to get an extra transfer in.
     
  20. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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  21. Red Jeph

    Red Jeph Member+

    Aug 26, 2006
    Chicago
    It's naïve to think they'll do that rather than pocket it. I'm fine with real FFP, but a salary cap just artificially lowers the earning power of the group that everything is built on. The owners make out like bandits. That's exploitation.
     
  22. CybrSlydr

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    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And that's why a salary cap needs to be part of the reformations that need made within FIFA/UEFA.

    It won't happen, too many powerful and rich interests to prevent it, but it would fix a lot of problems we as supporters/fans have with the way the game is run.
     
  23. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
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    Manchester United FC
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    Jamaica
    i'm not sure that will work. even if they cap salaries then players will just move to wherever has the most favourable tax laws.

    remember when there was that influx of players into Süper Lig in Turkey just after 2010/11?
     
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  24. J'can

    J'can Member+

    Jul 3, 2007
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    Wouldn't that just push up player salary and those clubs won't be in any better position than before in regards to transfers in?
     
  25. gildarkevin

    gildarkevin Member

    Aug 26, 2002
    Washington, DC
    I once spent a day drinking (first at Lucky Bar during a match and then at a bar in Chinatown in DC) back in 2005 or 2006. My liver still hurts...
     

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