New Zack City: Steffen at Middlesbrough (olf Manchester City)

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  1. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
    Club:
    Arminia Bielefeld
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would be crazy if Zack didn’t get a medal.
     
  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Of course he's getting his medal.
     
  3. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Steffen does not make the 18, as he's apparently "not fully fit".

    It was his birthday yesterday.
     
  4. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the bench:

     
  5. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Steffen had a chance to see the field today because of Ederson's blunder that the ref whistled away.

    A red card wasn't the most likely outcome for Ederson, but it was definitely a possible outcome.
     
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  6. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I wonder if Pep would consider giving Steffen Saturday's PL game v Leeds, partly to give Ederson a break before the CL second leg at Dortmund on Wednesday, and partly to tune up Steffen for the FA Cup semifinal @ Chelsea the following Saturday.

    Maybe I'm giving Pep too much credit, but the Leeds game itself is pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
     
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  7. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    The problem with being a #2 goalie is that there is really little need to rotate the position like the field spots. A little psychological rest now and then is nice, but plenty of teams never make a sub back there baring injury. Zach's lucky he's gotten as many games as he has.
     
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  8. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Leeds are #7 in goals scored, so it could be an important assignment.

    I think he'll only play in the league is if they think one of those knocks Ederson took could use a rest, or after they clinch, but I'd like to be surprised.
     
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  9. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    He plays at a huge club so they can rest the no.1 for important games/competitions but you're def right. I wouldn't have figured he'd have 10 games this season.
     
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  10. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Goal attempts: Manchester City 29-2 Leeds United
    Goals: Manchester City 1-2 Leeds United

    This loss could delay the possibility of Steffen getting another Premier League match for a week or two.

    We'll see if Steffen retains his starting spot in cup competitions for the FA Cup semifinal on April 17 and the League Cup final on April 25.
     
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  11. Dervos

    Dervos Member+

    Mar 13, 2002
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Or hasten it :p

    haha. That's more goals than Zach has allowed in any of his 11 starts.
     
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  12. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
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    Pretty sure Matt Turner makes that save! ​
     
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  13. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    I think it's all up in the air. ;)

    I think for Steffen, the key item will be hoping that City advance past Dortmund in Champions League. My thinking is that if City make the CL semifinals, then there is less of a possibility of Pep being tempted to use Ederson for the other cup finals.
     
  14. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
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    Ready if needed ...​
     
  15. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Narrator voice: He wasn't.
     
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  16. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Time to pick up the pace around here - we've got a big game to play on Saturday. Or do we?

    Two trains are on a collision course. First, Pep et al want to win four competitions: the Premier League, Champions League, FA Cup, EFL Cup. Playing Ederson in every game from here on out might give the team the best chance to win.

    But Pep may (should) want to keep the faith with Steffen, who has performed well enough in his starts thus far. Pep should also want Steffen sharp enough to step in for Ederson at any moment should that ever become necessary.

    Relevant to Steffen: the EFL Cup is down to one game; the FA Cup is down to two games; the Premier League should be clinched several games before the final match.

    Possible starts (bolded):

    Saturday 4/17 FA Cup Semifinal v Chelsea @ Wembley

    Wednesday 4/21 PL @ Aston Villa

    Sunday 4/25 EFL Cup Final v Tottenham @ Wembley

    Wednesday 4/28 CL @ PSG

    Saturday 5/1 PL @ Crystal Palace

    Tuesday 5/4 CL v PSG

    Saturday 5/8 PL v Chelsea

    Wednesday 5/12 PL @ Newcastle

    Saturday 5/15 FA Cup Final v Leicester City or Southampton @ Wembley

    Wednesday 5/19 (rescheduled from 5/15?) PL @ Brighton


    Sunday 5/23 PL v Everton {but Ederson might want a tune-up match}

    Saturday 5/29 CL Final in Istanbul

    (Sunday 5/30 USA @ Switzerland)

    Scenarios:

    Best case: Steffen starts all the bolded games, and more if Man City clinches the PL even earlier.

    Worst (reasonable) case: Steffen does not start again in a game that matters - only starts PL games after Man City clinches.

    Most likely case: Steffen starts on Saturday. If he plays confidently and well, and the team advances, he continues playing (in the EFL Cup Final, where his play will again be reviewed). If City does not advance Saturday, then Steffen might get 'pulled' for the EFL Cup Final, even if Steffen was not responsible for the FA Cup loss.

    Also possible: I would talk to both keepers, and consider giving all the remaining 4-6 Cup games to Ederson, but (as compensation) give the remaining 6 PL games to Steffen, trusting the team not to collapse around him. That would keep Ederson fresh for the decisive Cup games and might give the team the best chance of winning all four trophies.
     
  17. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    do goalies usually get sub minutes in decided matches to secure medals for presumptive title winners? asking for steffen who otherwise seems like he will not be getting one?
     
  18. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Steffen has played in all four competitions, so I would be surprised if he was shut out of any of the (prospective) medals. The third keeper (Carson) would have a much weaker argument, but I don't know how many medals they have to go around.
     
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  19. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gonna start tomorrow:

     
  20. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...8fd5f8-9efc-11eb-b2f5-7d2f0182750d_story.html

    Zack Steffen has backstopped Manchester City’s FA Cup run so far, and manager Pep Guardiola doesn’t see that changing in the semifinals against Chelsea on Saturday at Wembley Stadium.

    “We trust him a lot. That’s why he’s here,” Guardiola said Friday.

    Would Guardiola be tempted to switch to first-choice keeper Ederson now that a trophy is within sight? Not likely.

    “If (Saturday) Zack doesn’t play, I’m going to lose the team,” Guardiola said. “It’s better to lose a game than lose a team. He’s played really well in the FA Cup, he’s the keeper for the USA national team.

    “He’s training good and he deserves it.”
     
  21. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    This is like a switch/train question...

     
  22. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    No.
     
  23. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Powerful words. Steffen needs to have 1 hell of a performance. In pretty much all of his matches, he's been decent with little to do since the defense is so air-tight. Dude needs to get eyeballs on his skills. Hope it's enough that he'll have more of a shot to win more games next season.
     
  24. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    talk about damning with faint praise ....

    yes I get it that Ederson is better than Zack but wow what a way to put pressure on Zack, tell your squad you support their preference, but also lay out a path to blame someone if you lose the match. Yes I have utmost confidence in you but don't try and use your feet like Ederson because he is class with his feet and you are a donkey. Why does he need to say that publicly .. just say "Zach is my first choice for this key match - I have every confidence he will put in a great performance" and leave it at that.
     
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