which is obviously incorrect given that it was Newport County FC that was formed in 1912. The next line does say “reformed 1989” which is correct. Wikipedia is totally inconsistent though. For example, Chester City and Chester have separate Wikipedia entries despite the reformed team appropriating the history of Chester City.
As far as MLS is concerned, the San Jose Earthquakes officially ceased to exist after the 2005 season and the Houston Dynamo were a new club. The new Earthquakes did not just claim the history, the club was created for the express purpose of continuing that history (as per letter of intent signed December 2015), with the league's official blessing from day one. You also have not really attempted to define what a "real" phoenix club is.
You're trying too hard. It's a single entity. It's 1 club. Multiple owner operated outlets. MLS SJ can always be the Quakes, MLS Hou can always be the Dynamo, until it wants them to be the Energetics, or the Orange Stars. When it benefits them they'll take the nickname of an existing club from another league and the fan base continues on it's merry way because they have a team to support.
Outside of San Jose, I don’t think we’ve seen much evidence of fan involvement. Montreal, like you mentioned; the Fire’s rebranding; even Kansas City’s renaming was not without much teeth gnashing over the choice of “sporting”. None of them showed much interest in what the fans wanted.
TBF the Fire got raked over the coals by the fans (who didn't stand for that shit show) and are re-redoing it. The Timbers were good about listening upon inception, SEA obviously paid attention.
I’m not going to congratulate the Fire for cleaning up they’re own mess, but I do think Montreal might be even worse for having learned nothing from Chicago. And, to be clear, I’m just talking about rebrandings here: plenty came out pretty well from the start.
After renaming the Clash to the Earthquakes the press release said "we have listened carefully to the concerns of our community, and we want to help people feel a stronger connection with our team." The blame for Clash was clearly put on Nike. There was a battle over the "San Jose" part of the name in the early 70s. NASL insisted they call themselves "San Francisco" as San Jose had no brand value but ultimately the team owners won.
I liked Impact, I'm OK with the Dynamo as it has local relevancy, I don't like a team named after an event that killed 300 people. To the American born 1871 may seem like ancient history but to a Brit it seems like yesterday. My Mum's stepfather (her Grandad) was born in 1876.
Good point. Although you could say the same about San Jose and it's even more relevant. The Loma Prieta earthquake happened within a lot of supporters living memory and of course the great 1906 quake is more recent than the Chicago Fire.
I quit following soccer for a few years and when I came back the Clash had became the Earthquakes. I thought it was a downgrade.
MetroStars was the coolest for me. That brand deserved to stand the test of time like the Galaxy did. Although funnily enough whenever I hear “Red Bull” now I think of soccer before a drink.
Mmm(unity). That one was pretty good, too. Compared to other teams that started in the 90s (Jaguars, Panthers, Diamondbacks, etc) these hold up really well.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-champions-league/story/4363096/man-united-liverpool-among-clubs-in-$6-billion-european-super-league-talks-sources oh hey, look what isn't going away
I've said this before but, European leagues are going to get rid of pro/rel before MLS would consider it. Am told there is "chaos" in European football now, and a "race against time"Many feel Super League threat still just brinkmanship but if there is a formal announcement (some think tonight) it would be point of no return and "end of football" as we know ithttps://t.co/Eeh5JjZmHJ— Miguel Delaney (@MiguelDelaney) April 18, 2021 Top European Soccer Teams Agree to Join Breakaway League - the most detailed account so far on what could be the most seismic moment in European football for decades: https://t.co/gwPwsPxh3I— tariq panja (@tariqpanja) April 18, 2021
Interesting.....Fans oppose the proposed Super League AND the yet to be announced proposed expansion of the Champions League..... So do fans just want to watch Bayern beat up on the other German Clubs, Juve in most years beat up the rest of the Italian Clubs, PSG (Lille will have to sell many of their players this summer) win the French League year after year? Spain will be a two horse race most years... This is interesting. On the one hand the domestic leagues would be more interesting as there would be different teams winning each year. Then again, the domestic leagues are going to look a lot different when the media money isn't as high, and clubs can't afford to keep their talented players. The other interesting thing is if the proposed Super League just takes the place of the Champions League, and the Big Clubs are still in their domestic leagues. A la basketball's Euro League. I'm also surprised by how pundits and fans turn to the "FIFA & UEFA" won't sign off off on this, and football will stay the same. I mean....these clubs are breaking away because of FIFA & UEFA, due to these organizations greed, corruption, hypocritical and stagnant ways. This is fascinating all around.
There was a huge banner at Dortmund today saying "STOP UCL REFORMS". As there were no fans in the stadium I assume this reflected the view of the club.