Daryl Dike at West Bromwich Albion

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by BostonRed, Dec 30, 2019.

  1. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    So Dike has 8 goals in 939 minutes, or 0.767 goals per 90 minutes. None of them penalties.

    I'd challenge anyone to find a Championship player who's played as many minutes as Dike and has a remotely comparable non-PK goals per 90 rate this season. For reference, Transfermarkt lists all penalties scored for each player. Here's an example for Ivan Toney.

    Best I can tell, the next best player is at around 0.56 non-PK goals per 90 minutes.
     
  2. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    The Kid's Ready for Primetime.
     
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  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every other manager in the championship to his scouting director.

    “Why isn’t that big Yank plating for us?”
     
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  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Carlton Morris, also at Barnsley, has 6 goals, no penalties, in 758 minutes. It's not quite as good as Dike, but it's close.

    Marcus Forss at Brentford has 6 in 698 minutes.
     
  6. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Part of the reason I said "player who's played as many minutes as Dike" was to exclude guys who score at a comparable rate on mop up duty after the game opens up.

    But if it helps, let me be more specific and say that I'm talking about starters for their clubs. Morris has started 3 games and subbed in for 15 more this season. Forss has started 4 games and subbed in for 29 more.
     
  7. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    That’s about the most glowing comments you’ll ever see from an opposing manager whose club has no chance to buy the player, and hadnt even played against him at that point.
     
  8. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's amazing praise, especially from a guy who's been coaching up and down the EFL for over 40 years. Dike is having a fairytale start to his career!
     
  9. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    For anyone like me who could only find the tweets that don't actually show the goal, here's the botched coverage of it on youtube, it's at the end of the clip:

     
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  10. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Could anyone have seen this coming?
     
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  11. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Psychic!
     
  12. KenC

    KenC Member+

    Jun 11, 2003
    Here's Warnock's actual pre-match interview:

    2:00 when he mentions Daryl to about 3:30.

    Warnock's not always so nice:
     
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  13. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Norwegian league is chilling 12 places below the Austrian Bundesliga in the UEFA coefficients, and you’re still wrong besides. Dike is on an absolute TEAR, and I STILL wouldn’t consider him “too good” for the Championship until he plays at least a full season of games at/above Championship level. The sample size is just too small otherwise.

    I want him to go off to bigger and better things. I’m a sucker for EPL games with Americans in them because I watched a lot of Dempsey at Fulham. But until he goes to that higher level and plays a decent amount of games there, demonstrating his quality, or if he plays well for a full season at the CShip level, I’m not going to anoint him as “too good” for the Championship. Hell, I don’t know if I’d say he’s “too good” for MLS yet, despite his nigh-vertical career trajectory at the moment.
     
  14. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1380929992029261826 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  15. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    maybe his older brother and sister?
     
  16. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
    Club:
    Arminia Bielefeld
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holy crap that was amazing!
     
  17. m vann

    m vann Moderator
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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As impressive as the .0.767 goals per 90 minutes is..... forget about that for a second. I have a better stat. I believe it's accurate, too. You ask what could be more impressive than that? Well...... he has 8 goals in 24 shots and 13 on target. 33% of his shots are goals. And it was slightly better at OCSC..... 8 goals in 21 shots, 12 on target. It's clearly a theme. That's better than Lewandowski who coverts 31.8% (35 goals and 110 shots). Not saying Dike is Lewandowski but he's conversion rate is pretty damn good and overlooked. I've hyped the hell out of Dike and he just keeps proving me right. He's quickly becoming my favorite Yank.
     
  18. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s a complete number 9-eh. He’s so freak-eh. He’s Mr. Dike-eh.
     
  19. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    Someone says that West Ham is bidding. It is top 6.
     
  20. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The most Route 1 of all the EPL teams. I’d prefer Burnley if they stay up.
     
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  21. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    I don't want him anywhere near that toxic set of supporters.
     
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  22. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    Y’a. He should go Chelsea, Liverpool or Manchester City. Those teams have all technical wizards, but sometimes they need a strong forward to pound.
     
  23. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Right. I think nobody wants to get ahead of themselves, so we all put limits on him, like “he probably won’t be a big 6 starter, but...” and I think that’s generally a good approach, but there really is no reason he can’t reach the same heights as a guy like Lukaku. I’m not saying he will, but he’s a physical specimen, he has a great work rate, and he looks to be a very good finisher. AND he seems to be improving at a rapid pace. There’s no reason to put a ceiling on his potential until he hits a really dry patch.

    I was very excited about Jozy when he was young, but Dike is simply much better than Jozy was during his first MLS stint. And I like Sargent a lot as well, but the stats you shared (and the all-important eye test) indicate that Dike could have elite finishing ability. We’ll see how he does against better competition, and it’s unlikely that he is as successful as someone like Lukaku, but as of now it’s not crazy to think that he can be.
     
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  24. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010

    Among PL teams, who do we think are most likely to go after him?


    I can’t see Chelsea going after him as more than a loan project since they already have several guys who can fill that role.

    city needs a center forward, and I wouldn’t be shocked if they went after him, but I suspect Pep would want someone who is a little more refined.


    I could realistically see Liverpool going after him as a relatively cheap option to gradually replaced firmino. He’s a very different type of player, but you’d think that Klopp would love his pressing and fsg would love the price tag.

    tottenham will need a forward if they sell Kane but their fans might riot if levy tries to replace him with an American from the championship.

    I don’t think Everton would be a great fit as Calvert Lewin is a young British player who would be difficult to unseat.

    Maybe Leicester would like to work him in as a gradual Vardy replacement?

    A few clubs like Leeds and burnley would probably see him as good immediate competition for their current starters, but I doubt they could win a bidding or recruiting war if any of those other clubs get involved.
     
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  25. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dike's non-penalty goal rate per 90 is 0.77, which is first in the Championship for players with at least 150 minutes total.

    Ollie Watkins, Neal Maupay, Che Adams, Oliver McBurnie, Karlan Grant, Matej Vydra are all strikers sold to the Premier League from Championship clubs in the last few years. Their rates ranged from 0.32 to 0.55 with a median of about 0.50. Ivan Toney from this season fits right in with that group at 0.52. Teemu Pukki, who presumably will be in the PL with Norwich, is at 0.60.

    The low from that group was Karlan Grant who still got a move to newly-promoted West Brom with a non-penalty scoring rate at Huddersfield almost two and a half times lower than Dike's at Barnsley so far. Dike has produced 62% of Grant's non-penalty goal total (thirteen) from the 2019-20 season in 25% of the minutes.

    Of course, Dike is a few years younger than they were too.
     

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