Spaghetti Weston: McKennie at Juventus

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  1. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    He broke a government rule, not a team rule (except that they probably have a rule to obey the law). That's why the police were involved.
     
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  2. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks. You're right. It's important to note that layer as well. Unfortunately, what this means is that I now feel the need to explain myself at length. What I'm about to say is not directed at you but its existence is at least partially your fault and if you're Catholic you might consider mentioning that you "gave bungadiri an excuse to run his mouth" at your next confession. Brush up on your Hail Mary-s and your Our Father-s ahead of time.

    As for the team rule, I thought that the reopening of sports like soccer relied on each team following protocols designed to limit exposure of players to infection (and of course to prevent infected players from participating), because of the extremely high likelihood of transmission during matches. Meaning there were almost certainly some "if you're going to work here then you have do this" kinda things in place (and here I'm thinking grimly of the tales about Tuchel imposing vegetarian diets on his players).

    When I think about the covid-motivated limits imposed upon my behavior by my employer, they don't cover what I do outside of work. I am responsible for reporting the outcomes of that behavior before I enter the workplace, however, and possible exposure would prevent me from doing so. That said, I'm a nobody and so there's not much I can do in the normal course of events that would shame the institution, so for me that's probably all covered by a general clause in my contract that I didn't read. But professional athletes and other figures who are public because of their jobs are--I believe but don't know for sure--contractually obligated to a greater extent in this area.

    All I'm saying is that this isn't a matter of a free agent choosing not to follow arbitrary rules. This is an instance where somebody had ample opportunity to know better and yet they still went ahead and had intimate relations with the family canine.*

    Which doesn't stop me from thinking Weston is terrific. I know too many people who are basically good hearted and trying to do the right thing and who've let their exhaustion with not seeing friends and family take their eye off the ball. It's not like he held a massive ******** covid pool party in his back yard. He probably thought it would be fine. Nevertheless, choice=consequence for most of us. Based on what I've seen from the kid he'll take this well and move on.

    *"screwed the pooch" My wife insisted that I needed to explain that bit. She's generally smarter than I am, so...
     
  3. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Sometimes you gotta do stupid shit to belong with the fellas.
     
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  4. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    Unless Wes was in a “red zone” he was not in trouble for have a dinner get together, he was in trouble for breaking curfew. I didn’t dig into the regions and which is red and which are white.

    The BBC article states that it was a curfew issue as well which is why I looked at the ministry of health’s website.

    Italy, in certain zones, has open theaters, dining, business, etc.

    It may be the case that if Wes had brunch with the boys this would not be a thing.
     
  5. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    Who is getting mad at them for being uptight? It's their rule. He broke it. He will deal with the consequence. But it's fair to point out these rules are unenforceable for the most part and when they are enforced it seems more like an effort to distract from the lack of available vaccines than a meaningful attempt to change an outcome.

    And if a country needs to be perfect before being critical of another then nobody will be able to say anything about anyone.
     
  6. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    The thing that really bugs me is that he did this when Pirlo is under threat of the sack and can’t help when the coach showed such faith in him. It’s not unforgivable and he’s young - but really disappointing for me.

    On the other hand, I always feel like coaches bear some responsibility for players being idiots. They are the adults in the room and should be drilling in the importance of not risking any thing during the season. As a San Antonio Spurs fan - I always think that a Popovic coached team never lets this kind of crap happen.
     
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  7. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Small correction but the risk does not come from playing outside but rather all of the indoor activities and meetings and travel.
     
  8. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member+

    Oct 15, 2007
    Agreed and this discussion that it shouldn’t matter because they are “close to 11 other players and team staff, plus teammates and staff each week” is totally asinine. They are tested constantly for COVID if they are playing or on staff.

    People that you bring to a dinner party don’t meet that standard in any way, shape, or form. Don’t screw your team and manager. Pretty simple. Grow up.
     
  9. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My sister in law lives in Italy and they're heavily locked down.
     
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  10. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    And been that way here for the better part of a year now. Certainly the case since Weston arrived.
     
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  11. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Juve draws with 17th place Torino. They could have used players that weren't involved during the international window.
     
  12. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Do you people realize with the massive technological jumps in the last 100 years, in contact-tracing, isolation, antibiotics, antivirals, antiparasitics, vaccines, antigen cloning, etc. the 1918 Flu Pandemic and the Black Death would be fairly easy to beat now, right?

    This one is one magnificent virus. The governments are being very cautious not because they are flexing their muscle on crowd-control, but because they know this one has the potential to become very, very dangerous.

    No one knows us better than coronaviruses. Not only it can use the reverse transcriptase (RT) of viruses we all carry (a good percent of our code is actual retroviruses that incorporated into our DNA and still produce RT), but it knows us so well, it can regulate itself to become a part of us without making us sick enough to seek treatment!

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...tic-material-human-chromosomes-what-does-mean

    "People who recover from COVID-19 sometimes later test positive for SARS-CoV-2, suggesting their immune systems could not ward off a second attack by the coronavirus or that they have a lingering infection. A study now hints at a different explanation in which the virus hides in an unexpected place. The work, only reported in a preprint, suggests the pandemic pathogen takes a page from HIV and other retroviruses and integrates its genetic code—but, importantly, just parts of it—into people’s chromosomes. The phenomenon, if true and frequent, could have profound implications that range from false signals of active infection to misleading results from COVID-19 treatment studies."

    We're dealing with something "smarter" than us, but people are just too dumb to realize it.
     
  13. run_it_out

    run_it_out Member+

    Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 19, 2018
    I for one am very disappointed in his judgment. If you throw a loud house party you always invite your neighbor. That's just basic stuff.
     
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  14. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
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    I guess I'll just be glad he wasn't partying with the Canucks.

    Or playing in Brasil.
     
  15. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They should teach the stuff in school.
     
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  16. eliwood

    eliwood Member+

    Jul 25, 2016
    What if your neighbors are squares?
     
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  17. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
    Club:
    Arminia Bielefeld
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which that neighbor most definitely is. :D
     
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  18. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    “All the squares go home!” — Cynthia
     
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  19. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    This is BS, so I guess complete BS is par for the course, but this is asinine. Vaccines are in short supply, so rigorous enforcement of lockdown is the only tool in the box at the moment. What better way of getting that message out than cracking down, hard, on celebrities? If a teacher sitting at home sees that being a starter for Juve isn't going to protect Wes from punishment for lockdown breaches, he may think again before organizing his own house party.

    It's not a good strategy, but it's all they've got at the moment.
     
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  20. GreedyG

    GreedyG Member

    Dec 9, 2020
    Should have known better, I guess, but doesn’t sound like it was a party. Would the outrage be the same if the headline was, “Mckennie, Dybala, and Arthur suspended after having dinner with friends”?

    Whatever, I don’t think that Mckennie is an off the field problem. The unfortunate thing is that this will probably cost Pirlo his job, if they are suspended for more games, and possibly cost Juventus a spot in the Champion’s League.
     
  21. Typhaon

    Typhaon Member

    Nov 2, 2009
    Is McKennie in jail?
     
  22. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Sure. The point is breaking the rules. And it's a fair point.

    If a player drives drunk and gets arrested and suspended the night or two before a big game folks should be outraged, or if they forget their passport and can't get on the plane to the game. Whatever the infraction, if it needlessly keeps you from competing when your team needs you, it's an outrage to a fan.

    As it should be.

    These guys aren't amateurs playing charity games for the local orphanage.
     
  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No
     
  24. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Hoping we find out soon how many matches he’s suspended from.
     
  25. Higher Learning

    Jul 1, 2009
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    back in training
     

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