The MLS Stadium Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by fairfax4dc, May 20, 2016.

  1. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Newark has a terminal train that takes you to NJT. You can go to the city or into Jersey from there. Pretty straightforward. Don't lump it in with the hell on earth trips to LGA or JFK.

    The only good way to get to those airports is from a connecting flight,
     
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  2. Eddie Stiel

    Eddie Stiel Member+

    Sep 27, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    There is a local NJ Transit bus from the Newark Airport to Newark Penn Station that is super cheap and runs frequently 24/7, if I remember correctly. PATH runs from Penn Station to the World Trade Center and to midtown Manhattan with a transfer.

    Yes, the bus is $1.60 and PATH is $2.75, so $4.35 from the airport to Manhattan.
     
  3. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
  4. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What an awkward location. Reminds me of that church that sits like 10 feet from Orlando City's stadium. Apparently they decided not to sell that tiny parcel, I bet they're regretting that decision.
     
  5. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Austin should give them the contracts for any printed material the team requires (office stuff, game day rosters, programs, etc).
     
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  6. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Some drone footage of the new Columbus Crew stadium...

     
  7. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Putting the driveway to the loading docks where it is doesn't look accidental. Maybe Precourt is "encouraging" Paragon to sell their site to him. He easily could have put it another 50 away if he'd wanted to.
     
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  8. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It wasn't clear to me if that driveway is permanent or is just for construction site access. I looked up that print shop on Google Street View, and it looks like it was in the middle of nowhere before the stadium construction.
     
  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Something to argue over...

     
  10. Crewster

    Crewster Member+

    Jan 28, 2005
    Worthington
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can you rate the atmosphere at a stadium which has never hosted a game?
     
  11. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Can we get someone other than an "urban planner" to rate accessibility?
     
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  12. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Which also brings up the danger of building to within 10 feet of your property line and putting your front door on that side when you build in the middle of nowhere. Either buy the lot next door, or realize this is a potentiality waiting to happen.
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes but you still have to take the LIRR or Subway from Manhattan to Willet's Point.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes but the schedule is awful, especially at weekends. And what makes it worse is that you can see the NJT station well before the Airtrain arrives so you can see a train arrive and leave before the Airtrain pulls in or you may have to sprint up and down the steps.

    Trains to NY Penn Station from EWR now:
    8:16 pm
    8:22 pm
    9:04 pm
    9:15 pm
    9:20 pm
    10:04 pm
     
  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ugh, that list is rough. Somebody doesn't have a good understanding of many (most?) of the venues and markets and is trying to draw conclusions on that lack of data.
     
  16. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    It's lazy methodology and even then there's no rigor. CenturyLink(?) and Soldier are "5" for the building, but Gillette is a "1". I mean, holy crap. Gillette is a stunning sporting venue. World Class. If you don't like the atmosphere, punish it there. And of course the pot shot in a 1-10 scale table of putting Yankee Stadium at -5 is just gratuitous.

    I'm also wondering what, in Kansas City would rate as "accessible" as the intersection of I-435 and I-70 is about as accessible as it gets in KC. Moreso than downtown...

    Lazy, lazy, lazy. I also -love- charts that give grades to stadiums that have yet to reach the structural steel stage of construction.

    This is someone that shoots first and draws circles later. Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
     
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  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then his following tweet says the Dick is one of 6 stadiums that are "actively preventing their clubs from achieving any kind of local relevancy". Of the list of reasons the Rapids have failed to have local relevancy in Denver the Dick is like number 23.
     
  18. crew2112

    crew2112 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    Dayton, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I would bet Elmo is older than this guy. Those ratings are based off fan reaction on Twitter. Not much thought put into this one.
     
  19. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #5119 Bill Archer, Mar 21, 2021
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2021
    I was fortunate enough to get a tour of New Crew a couple weeks ago. They took four small groups through as part of a Women In Construction presentation ( my group was led by a senior project engineer and the quality control manager, both females in their 30's)

    They took us everywhere from the owners suite to the locker rooms to the field itself where they were busy laying the tubing for turf control around where we were standing, plus all the clubs and suites, the central kitchen, etc.

    I freely admit that Im about as biased as its possible to be but I gotta say that I was awed.. What a place.

    The thing that just floored me was a room below grade, about 50 x 80, where the turf system is run. Huge pumps and piping and instrumentation which both maintains precise moisture levels ( draining rain, adding water and nutrients when dry) but also keeps it at an even temperature 365 days a year.

    The company that installed it has done one system or the other in various places but this is the first place theyve done both in the same facility. Which is actually good practice because theyre now installing the exact same systems in every new stadium in Qatar. Same outfit.

    The best part: the field manager can control every single aspect of the system in real time on a phone app.

    The place is simply insane.
     
  20. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And the idea that Toronto has a worse location than anywhere except Foxboro, Colorado, and Lockhart is just bonkers. But congrats to Cincinnati's new stadium for achieving 9/10 atmosphere without even having a game.
     
  21. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see we each were most impressed by the same room on the tour. AND, they're using the same system at the new training facility, which must be what the one outbuilding you see on the construction cam is for. That room in the stadium; full of that looked familiar (like pumps), but most of it was stuff I'd never seen before, or knew existed. Like equipment that could measure and adjust pH and moisture levels surgically across the entire pitch. At some point I'll ask Dr. Pete what the stuff in that room cost.
     
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  22. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Cincinnati is getting carry over points for atmosphere from Nippert. Given the location of the new stadium, it’s probably a good starting point.

    Lockhart is a great location... Cypress Creek an Commercial Blvd exits off I-95. Right in the middle of the South Florida megalopolis. ‘Downtown’ is a pretty meaningless concept to an area like that. It’s definitely no worse than any option Beckham considered, aside from the fact that it isn’t in Miami proper (not a bad thing).
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Usually Miami teams end up in Fort Lauderdale so they've just cut out the intervening 4 or 5 years. :D
     
  24. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The original proposed location on the water was an absolute knockout. Way better than anything theyve come up with since and maybe the best in the league. But he wasnt prepared for the shocking level of corruption that killed it. Hes basically been sorting through crappy choices ever since.

    Austin had a similar problem. Butler Shores was a phenominal site, absolute home run. Garber & and his little buddy used to sneak out of sxsw, drive over and sit in the rental jerking each other. Little did they suspect that a couple of shabby, neglected little league baseball fields would stand in ther way. So they too ended up sorting through undesirable locations, having to settle for a toxic waste dump 12 miles from downtown.

    Sometimes its way better to pull the plug on a project than settle for a crappy site. Ten years down the road it will matter more than it does today.
     
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  25. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    For Miami, are you talking about the cruise terminal island location? If so, it would have been a beautiful stadium that was almost impossible to get to, with nothing nearby. So, all the disadvantages of Austin’s location. It would have been a real pain to get to, even for people in Miami.
     
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