I was just thinking how certain moves seem to be most useful based on the position (defense, mid, forward). Seems to me to be something like: forward moves: scissors, elastico (yes this is a bit of a flare move, but I can only really see a forward doing it) midfield moves: roulette defender moves: none that are specific to defense And then these moves can be used anywhere: step-over, feint, v drag Was thinking about this so as to be able to explain to my son when to use various moves. (yes you can technically use any move anywhere, but just from what I've seen in pro games it seems to line up like this. So if you are trying to maximize training time and effectiveness then probably focus your kid on the moves that he's most likely to use in his position)
Of course CB's have moves to shield the ball from pressing strikers. Today's CB do a lot more than just circulate the ball.They're expected to be able to start the attack which means dribbling into space in the midfield, etc
Yeah, I didn't mean that they don't / shouldn't do moves. But rather, based on the situations they deal with, what are the moves to deal with those situations. I want to teach my kid each position. For defense I'd teach him to anticipate and intercept and tackle and contain... and then what to do to win loose balls and then as you say how to start attack. They must be great passers both short and long. But I will tell my kid to not try a scissors when he's in his 1/3rd (he's only 6 so I just want simple rules of thumb), but even then, sure he might find himself in a 1v1 but generally I want my kid to know when to do risky/skill moves based on the situation.
I've heard multiple coaches tell kids "learn two skill moves and get comfortable enough that you can do either at game speed." I don't think you should say "do the scissors here and the Croyff here". Teach/show him all the moves. Let him keep practicing to see which ones become more comfortable to him and let him decide what moves to use in a game. My son is a CB. Scissors & step overs are his main moves. They're not very fast (he's tall and lanky), but even if you know he's going to do them, he still gets by you. And, since you say YOU don't want him to try the scissors when he's in his defending 1/3, what move do you want him to make? Do you really want him to think "well, I can do the scissors to good result in the middle or attacking 1/3, but since I'm in the defending third, I shouldn't do them, instead I'll try the... "? By the time he has processed all that, the attacker will have taken the ball from him, scored, and be ready for the next kickoff.
I really wish there was less emphasis on winning competitive games at young ages. NOT that the kids shouldn't try to win, just that the goal as far as the adults are concerned should be about putting the kids into competitive situations so they can make mistakes in 'real time' and learn from them. Looking over your shoulder at ranking, worrying about what tournament you'll get accepted to, making lineup decisions based on getting a result--that stuff is imposed by adults trying to win rather than develop. You learn from making mistakes. Gotta let young players make those mistakes without consequences beyond losing the ball, giving up a goal, losing a game, etc.
You do you, but I think in defence jockeying is more important than tackling. Young players often overcommit and go in for a tackle and the player gets past him and then it's one-on-one with he GK and an easy goal.
Just a personal opinion but I think every kid should be trained like an attacking player until they're 10-12. I usually start to incorporate the other aspects of defending from 12-14. Especially at the 7v7 level, attacking 1v1 is so important and gets kids comfortable on the ball. No matter where you are on the field, a player that's comfortable on the ball will stand out and will transition well at the next level to whatever position they end up playing. As they start to specialize in an area of the field in the transition to 11v11, that's when you can start to put in some more of the defending things that most of the time the game has already taught them on its own.
I agree with this. Defenders must have great control of the ball because they are under pressure in a risky part of the field. Forwards can make a lot of mistakes and no biggie, but you don't want defenders making mistakes.
All of the defenders that I know were strikers in their youth My child's U13 or 14 (?) coach would swap defenders and forwards for part of the season because it was his opinion that strikers needed to understand how defenders moved and vice-versa.
I've told this story before... DS was invited to play in the MIC tournament overseas in 2017. The team was made up of players who had attended ISL camps over the previous summer, so they didn't know each other or the coach when they arrived in Span. DS was the only "natural" defender and played CB. Another boy (I think normally played F) was assigned as the other CB. At one point his mom told my wife "I don't understand how you handle the stress. If he messes up as a forward, we just lose possession. Now, if he messes up as a defender, that could lead to a goal." Uh, yup.
Good grief, yes, this. My '05 son has spent, outside of HS soccer, 80-90 percent of his minutes the past five years as a defender, either a FB or CB. I can't count how many times I've retreated to the end of the sideline after some minute mistake he made led to a shot on goal (or a goal) so I can stay out of earshot of grumbling parents whose own kids routinely cough up balls in the attack or whiff half-heartedly at an opponent going by them further up field. I think goalkeeper parents have it even worse, certainly at younger ages when parents seem less likely to know much about the game.
I don't necessarily see that it's beneficial for a young player to learn moves based on a specific position. Roles change, but they should learn them all. Comfortable employment on the field is much different from learning in drills—this will come with playing experience at positions. For an older player at 11v11, where positions become more set, they should already know all the moves you listed. Then it comes down to judgment about risk vs. reward. Some flashy moves are a bit risky for a defender, but might be worth for an attacker it if it generates a goal. Others are basic ball control, and every player should be able to do them fluidly.
What I've heard as my kids were growing up is while they might learn all of the moves, to focus on two moves and keep practicing them until you can do them at game speed.
Maybe I a should ask from another perspective - take Leo Messi, he uses a few moves. Did he learn these early on (age 5/6/7?) and stick with them since he was comfortable using them and perfect them over time? And maybe while sticking with these as his core moves he experimented with other moves? Or did he rotate through each move in a more planned way (in a typical way as all other kids) and then say "I like xyz move the best" at some point in maybe his teens? You know what I mean?
This seems to be a good way to do it. Then you can more confidently use the moves in a game. If you are learning too many moves at once then you won't be confident with any particular move in a high pressure situation.
I doubt Leo Messi had someone plan out the "best" way for him to rotate moves at a young age. He probably watched great players he admired and other players around him and picked up moves and tried to do them to other people until they worked. And he probably worked on them a lot more than 3x a week at practices and games. How do kids learn how to play video games? It's the same.
I woud say that different positions need to learn different types of turns and absolutely some moves are more important at different positions. But what a player should learn is when to use a certain move and when not to. For example if a player is diving in the "La Croqueta" and the "Triagnle" are great moves. The Maradona move is actually only good for one thing. When two players are both going for the same ball if you think you can beat the person to the ball you put your foot on it and pull the ball (winning the ball) and then spin (shielding the ball). This is the only the the move should be used period no matter what position. I mean sure you can do it if you want to in open space but it serves no purpose. Kids will learn what moves work in what situations by playing futsol.