2022 WC Qualifiers

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by Primitive Ways, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Gaibor should've been called up. I forgot about him tbh.

    The FEF knows something about Castillo that's not public. They're not 100% sure about his citizenship that's for sure. I could understand not calling him up for the qualifiers. You can mask the decision by making the argument Preciado and PPP are the better players. Not even calling him up for a microciclo? Yeah something is up.
     
  2. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    #1127 javer, Feb 23, 2021
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    It definitely odd that he has not been included when BSC release a few other vital players for this micro ciclo. He played the last match with BSC 90 min I doubt he injured.



    Also alot of people are asking for Romario Caicedo to me personally we have so many RB coming up at his age I dont fully see the need to call him. I dont think Alfaro would either. I still remember that season where he was the top goal scorer for Olmedo. It crazy to think that he went from playing RW/ST to RB lol.
     
  3. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Caicedo is behind on the depth chart. Right now Preciado is the starter and PPP is the backup. You never know what can happen though. Injuries have a way of changing things at a moment's notice. Landazuri being called up was surprising. In my opinion Romario is better than him. Landazuri is the younger player y tiene condiciones but Romario has the longer track record and has been more consistent.
     
  4. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    #1129 javer, Feb 23, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2021
    When I think of the RB four our NT I think of.

    Angelo Preciado
    PPP
    Andres Lopez
    Byron Castillo
    Perdo Pablo Velasco
    Anthony Landazuri
    Antonio Valencia


    even Jhon Espinoza and Bryan Carabali if these guys get consistent because they are great talents. We have our talent petty much set and we have depth. I like Landazuri and was hoping he would get a call. Preciado left IDV so that starting spot is all his now. And I have a feeling he could make the jump aboard soon.



    I know Romario Caicedo has been one of the most consistent players from Emelec but he really hasnt come into thought for NT material for me TBH until every one on social media started to ask for him. His age really weighs him down as an option when you compare him to all the other players we have coming up in that position.


    As for Byron Castillo I really hope there nothing up with him cause it would suck if he finally goes aboard/ gets called for nt and then it comes to light that he had false documents.
     
  5. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Reading up on Byron Castillo case,it’s kind of shady.How hard is it to confirm ones place of birth in Ecuador?According to article in El Universo,he’s registered as born in Playas,that’s a small town,surely you can find records at Hospitals there.Funny thing is when I read the article and saw his pic,I recognize his features as being Colombian,lol,específically from the Tumaco region,which borders Ecuador in the Esmeraldas region.I knew some people from that region,and there’s a certain characteristic about their facial features.lo and behold,in the article,they mention an investigator who has said,he was born in the Tumaco region of Colombia.‍♂️
     
  6. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
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  7. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
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  8. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
     
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  9. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Joao Rojas is going to NYCFC great move for him tbh he needed to leave Emelec.


    NYCFC has litterally only 2 main strikers one of which is injured. And only 2 starting wingers. They def needed to sign players and he will get playing time in this team.
     
  10. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Does anyone think Toño gets a call-up for these next two games?
     
  11. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    TBH no. We have alot of youth coming up Alfaro is doing a good job renovating the team and bringing in new players and youth there is really no need to bring in Toño.



    At first I thought we would need Noboa and Tono badly to make a transition but Alfaro really proved me wrong. He proved we didn't need them to transition into our new and youth players.



    With Angelo Preciado, PPP, Andres Lopez, Byron Castillo, Perdo Pablo Velasco, Anthony Landazuri and Jhon Espinoza(if he does good in MLS) I doubt Toño will get a call.
     
  12. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'm divided on whether or not Toño should be part of this process. From a footballing standpoint I would argue the answer is no. Moises and Gruezo are the starters. Behind them there's Franco, Mendez, Cifuentes. Alcivar is also in the national team's plans. Intriago is another player to keep an eye on. At RB Preciado is the future. There's also PPP and some other names behind them on the depth chart. We do have a young squad and so part of me thinks that while we may not need him from a footballing standpoint he can still provide leadership and guidance. I don't know though, perhaps other players have taken on that mantle - Enner, Mena, Dominguez. Part of the journey is the end. Is his cycle finished? I honestly don't know. He deserves a proper send off though. He put Ecuador on the map. He poured his heart and soul into the NT. No one can take that away from him.
     
  13. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    He still has a good amount of years left in his career so I agree he def will get a proper send off later on. I was really hoping we would get that Man U vs Liga friendly that really would have been something. I hope we arrange another friendly vs England that would be a good game to send off Toño if Man U never gives him a proper good bye.
     
  14. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'm torn, but honestly, the team needs leadership in the locker room - especially as things will definitely get tight in the qualifiers. The squad is so young, and I'm not sure who on that team (with the exception of Dida and Noboa) have amassed so many caps and experienced international pressure. Toño might not see the pitch regularly, but his asset is more on the intangibles. Also...this postponement of tournament play is an absolutely horrible outcome for our guys. We're already 6 months removed from our pas qualifier matches, and this gap hurts a team only starting to gel. Remember in the last cycle we were 12 points up in 4 games, and well, the rest is history (a very tragic and disappointing one.)
     
  15. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    I think Noboa is on the same boat as Toño we really don't need him either with all the talent we have coming up in mid field.


    We did fine these matches with Enner and Dida as captains. A lot of people say that the captains belt really doesn't mean much. Alfaro can manage the locker room. We also have Mena, Arboleda, and Gruezo who could be good options as captains and bring experience to the youth players.
     
  16. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Good points, but Mena, Arboleda and Gruezo simply aren't on the level of accountability and leadership as Noboa or Toño. As for Enner and Dida - senior members of the squad, but Enner always runs a 50/50 risk of injury to miss a match or both and Dida hasn't ever gotten that look at captaincy for the seleccion (correct me if I'm wrong plz). Other than that, I don't think it's a conducive exercise to keep a stable of young talent guided by a coach with no senior level brass available to counsel/guide, etc. When the calendar picks up, Ecuador will likely (I hope I'm wrong) drop points somewhere, and that pressure can be crippling. Younger guys who make big mistakes (i.e. Plata's ridiculous red card or an aggressive Gruezo tackle) can be defining moments for a player's morale. I just look at the French squad from 2018 - a young squad by any standard still anchored with 5 senior members over 30 years old (Matuidi, Rami, Giroud, Lloris, and Mandanda). Interestingly enough, one at each part of the team setup (GK, DEF, MID, FOR) except for Defense. Some old dawgs need to be on the roster - intangibles.
     
  17. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito


    Dida was captain in the games where Enner wasnt playing. But I agree that these 2 wont consistently be part of the squad due to playing time and or injuries. The thing is we can get away with not having a leader for now. We will def need one once we get closer to the end of WCQ and closer to the WC. This is when issues tend to rise for us.



    Once WC comes will Noboa and Tono be part of the squad I doubt it. Would it be worth it to have a leader on the bench rather than on the field probably not. We need to mold in a new player into that leadership role one that would still be around for WC and on the field. To me the more solid options are Mena, Arboleda, and yes even Gruezo as I expect him to continue maturing and I know Alfaro is very fond of him.



    These are player that will be or should be on our field once we start playing in the WC and have played alot along side Tono and Noboa. Luckily we are working on friendlies and I know Alfaro wants to plan more to prepare so those are things that make me more confident when these big games come along.
     
  18. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
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  19. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    They have. Very ambitious goals i have no doubt that they will make it to La Liga. Once this team gets promoted to Segunda Division it gonna be huge. They could become the RB Leipzig of Spain.
     
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  20. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
  21. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Glad Walter Chala got called. I saw his last game in Copa Libertadores and was wondering if he should get called and boom Alfaro puts him on the list.


    He is a little up there with age but has been preforming well with Catholica especially under Sachi.
     
  22. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The consortium of owners, of which IDV mgmt seems to be a majority shareholder would benefit from keeping the team in the segunda, but going into top flight would be risky from a financial sustainability perspective. With the high costs of maintaining a team + the expenses in transfers needed to make a very competitive team, it wouldn't make financial sense as many of these teams aren't exactly profitable but can still manage high revenues to manage debt. A privately owned team would try to profit first. That being said, I think using these clubs as talent factories to sell high is the best move forward - segunda division is still competitive enough to get good looks for EU teams, and I think the IDV model still stays...player factory.
     
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  23. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    If anyone has a link to watch the game today please share it. Thanks!
     
  24. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Can't find a good link to the game.
     

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