SheBelieves 2021

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by lil_one, Jan 23, 2021.

  1. socalsoccer23

    socalsoccer23 Member

    Jan 4, 2017
  2. hocbz

    hocbz Member

    Feb 15, 2016
    carli gonna get 300 caps..
     
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  3. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Not in the SBC. She is at 496 and SBC has 3 matches.
    I also doubt she will play all three. The coach still needs to find his best CF or CF pairing and he knows what Carli brings to the game so he needs to look closer at the others. IMO she should get no more than one of the three games and she should play all 90 in that game and play no part in the other two.
     
  4. West Ender

    West Ender Member

    Dec 28, 2020
    Southwest
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, Carli will get her 3 caps during SBC. I don't know how many minutes, but she'll play in every game.
     
  5. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Just out of curiosity, does any one knows the average age for US roster?

    For Brazil:
    average: 28.08
    median: 27
    mode: 26
    <= 26: 40%
    Max: 42 (Formiga)
    Min: 17 (Giovana Queiroz)
    Giovana Queiroz has played for US U17, Spain U17, and Brazil U17. She was born in Brazil not sure if she also has American and Spanish citizenship.

    This Brazilian team isn't as old as I was expecting.
     
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  6. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    pugh just a training player again. she's being eased out.
     
  7. Cliveworshipper

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    Dec 3, 2006
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  8. luvdagame

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  9. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    I assume this is current. The article is dated 1/11/2021. That’s 21 days ago
     
  10. West Ender

    West Ender Member

    Dec 28, 2020
    Southwest
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where was she raised? Seriously, how did she get on the U.S. and Spanish U-17 rosters?
     
  11. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    She probably learn to play in South Florida and developed in Spain. But at this point she lived in Spain for most of her life young life. Maybe she couldn't play for Spain due to citizenship. Lucky for Brazil, she looks like a promising young player.

    "She was born in 2003 in São Paulo, Brazil. In 2007, her family moved to Weston, Florida where they settled until 2014 when they moved to Madrid, Spain.[1][2][3] Gio was part of the Atlético Madrid Academy until 2017." from wiki
     
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  12. PortiereNuovo

    PortiereNuovo Member

    Jun 20, 2019
    Spain has a fast track citizenship process for people from Latin America after 2 years of residency. Argentina capped Messi early in part because Spain was trying to poach him.
     
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  13. West Ender

    West Ender Member

    Dec 28, 2020
    Southwest
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting post below, courtesy of Boston Red, which I saw on another thread:

    So Gio has U.S. eligibility. If she had a serious call up to a senior WNT team camp, I doubt she turns down that opportunity.
     
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  14. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #39 Cliveworshipper, Feb 2, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2021
    Italy also tried to poach him. Hs grandfather is Italian. In Italy, you are a citizen if ou were registered through a grand parent or great grandparent. Even if you weren’t registered, it fast tracks you. All the sites I see say get a good lawyer. I’m sure Italy would have done that.

    I was born in Argentina to American parents who registered me, so I have dual citizenship. That apparently slipped by the scouts in both countries and I never got a call up. Same reason John McCain didn’t play for Panama.
     
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  15. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    That isn’t so clear you have to show ongoing intent for a period of years. Moving to Spain isn’t a help there.
    also Trump put roadblocks in front of citizenship from Latin America.
     
  16. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will say that my statement about Gio's US citizenship is an assumption based on the fact she was called into the U17s. Since she lived about 7 years in the US (5 years with a Green Card is the usual time required to gain citizenship) and her brother has also been called into the US U17s before. Sometimes players are called in without finalizing US citizenship, but coming from overseas means it's unlikely they wouldn't already have US passports.

    She would need to meet the requirements of FIFA's revised rules on residency.

    He has lived on the territory of the relevant association:
    i) for players that began living on the territory before the age of 10: at least three years;
    ii) for players that began living on the territory between the age of 10 and 18: at least five years;
    iii) for players that began living on the territory from the age of 18: at least five years.


    So for the US, she spent 7 years starting before the age of 10. Instant eligibility for US.

    For Spain, she has lived there for 6 years starting at age 11. She'd be eligible, but would have to go before the same FIFA committee that Macario went before to confirm her eligibility.
     
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  17. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, she left the US before Trump came into office, so you can pretty safely assume that the immigration process was completed for US citizenship before they left. Remember, it only takes 5 years living in the US on a Green Card to get citizenship, so if they arrived on a Green Card (common for family unification), then they just need to do their 5 years & apply and everyone becomes a citizen.

    The Trump administration didn't really change any of the citizenship rules for immigrants from any countries (those are codified in the law by Congress), though the actual process to get citizenship processed has been lengthened to about a year. They *did* make it harder for people & companies trying to get someone in on a visa of various types, but that's the queue up to even getting a Green Card which is when the clock stops.

    It's possible that the 2 kids aren't US citizens, but it seems unlikely that US Soccer would have invited both of them as non-citizens to play for the US. It's happened before, but without knowing more details, there's not a lot in their case that makes me suspicious that they didn't really meet the requirement.
     
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  18. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
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    Actually, she has a brother that plays soccer also. There is a thread dedicated to him (https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/andre-luque-luiz-queiroz-costa-at-leganes.2080944/). In this thread, they state he has citizenship, so I assume she has US citizenship also. She hasn't been cap-tie to anyone. Only played friendlies with the Brazilian senior side. But her actions point to an emotional tie with Brazil (parents influence?). Anyway, I hope we can see her in action.
     
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  19. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    Yeah I get all that. She can’t have applied for us citizenship before age 18 by herself. I believe she left the country in 2017?
    She would have automatically been conferred citizenship if her parents naturalized. I don’t have knowledge of that. Maybe she got citizenship that way.
    Parenthetically, I know a couple people who stayed here, got citizenship, then moved back to their home countries because it gave them better job opportunities in their own countries. Maybe their parents did something like that.

    and the trump administration not only made it harder for people to come work here from Latin America and Asia. they essentially ashcanned or greatly delayed applications for all others but the very rich who could use the Arab sheik option and buy citizenship.. they called it “extreme vetting.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/...ship-voting.html?referringSource=articleShare that had been in place shortly after he took office with executive orders. Biden just set in motion cancelling those today, but it will be a process .


    ussoccer does invite people to train who aren’t citizens. One just joined the national team who wasn’t a citizen when she played at the youth level. Macario just became a citizen last october.
    https://www.si.com/soccer/2020/10/09/catarina-macario-uswnt-eligibility-stanford-andonovski
    There was another Brazilian who played for the YNT’s and went back to Brazil, but I think she lost interest although she was supposedly quite good.I can’t remember her name.

    anyway, it looks like she is on a path to play for Spain right now, Brasil just doesn’t have the infrastructure to support women’s soccer adequately, but who knows?
     
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  20. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, she's only 17 so the process is very likely tied to her parents. She left the US in 2014. It's possible the parents kept their US connections (one may have stayed behind & the other took the kids to Spain) or they did the work to keep "residence" in the US for Green Card purposes. I see some reference to the citizenship coming in 2018, so that would mean it should be the parents (like Zelalem).

    I was aware of the brother as I mentioned him in 2 threads above.

    The USSF lately has called in some non-citizens into camp (more on men's than women's side), but generally they don't play them in friendlies. Gio played in 3 friendlies for the U17s. That's circumstantial evidence, I'll admit.

    Not sure why you say she's on the path for Spain as she has been called up for Brazil & there would be a FIFA clearance required to play for Spain. I assume you had the teams switched around.
     
  21. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #46 hotjam2, Feb 5, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2021
    age probably isn’t a problem. but Marta has often complained about the poor training conditions/lack of fitness in Brazil even for their NT. Maybe things have changed under Pia? I would worry most about their very speedy, athletic winger, Ludmilla, she’ll work really well with Pia’s usual tactic of holding back & countering via long balls(this sometimes is the US can be vulnerable especially when their high pressing)
     
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  22. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I see @BostonRed has published Argentina's SheBelieves roster on another thread, but maybe it could be relevant here also:


    Since there was an ongoing discussion about average age, I seem to remember that GK Vanina Correa (who looked excellent at WWC 2019 and is still in the roster) should contribute to skew that number quite high, but actually I don't know much about the rest of the roster and I didn't make any calculations. :coffee:
     
  23. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    BR Age's stats at first glance are almost identical to the US. It shows Brazil is identifying new WNT players and aren't relying on the old squad. But age doesn't say much about quality. BR isn't in a position to compete with the US at the moment.

    WNT ---------US------------------------BR
    average:-----27.8----------------------28
    median:------27-------------------------27
    mode:--------25-------------------------26
    <= 26:--------36%----------------------40%
    Max:----------38 (Lloyd)---------------42 (Formiga)
    Min:-----------20 (Sophia Smith)----17 (Giovana Queiroz)

    "poor training conditions" shouldn't be the case. BRWNT uses the same facilities and staff as BRMNT, which always are world-class. CBF is actually very well funded. It is a rather rich federation. "lack of fitness" could be the case again. WoSo is still developing in Brazil. The current roster has many international players. They could have match fitness but can't keep up with US fitness/physical play. USWNT seems always to be stronger and taller than South American teams.

    Pia's hiring is part of a coordinated push to develop the W game. CBF took several initiatives to improve the working condition and support for the BRWNT. Ivana Fuso and Giovana Queiroz call up are a visible part of that. But it is too early to be able to compete with the USWNT. We should get some good results and, hopefully, titles with the U17 and U20.
     
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  24. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    in conjunction with the CBF, while in Florida for the SBC, Pia is going to have an camp, trying to recruit Americans of Brazilian extraction. Don't know the 'catch' in all this, maybe revenge for us poaching Macario? lol
    Seleção Feminina de Futebol on Instagram: “ Preparem-se para o 1º CBF SCHOOL COMBINE em Orlando, Flórida, no dia 20/02, às 12:00 A comissão técnica da Seleção Brasileira…”
     
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  25. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #50 Cliveworshipper, Feb 8, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2021
    In the 2019 WWC the USA was the oldest team at 29/00. Brasil was number 2 at 28/05.

    so the USA got more than a year younger even with a half dozen players most likely in their last FIFA selection this summer, while Brasil got 5 months younger with Formiga and Marta likely giving the next WWC a go. Formiga could play until she is 50 and still be the best defender they have.

    and both teams would still be among the top four oldest teams in the last WWC. Camaroon joined them in the top 3 with Italy a couple months younger and England behind them. It’s hardly a youth movement.

    https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/m1msxtyr8oygcaezlkfa.pdf

    for comparison, Canada and Spain were nearly 3 3/4 years younger. They could almost go back with the same squads and still be younger.
     
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