News: 2020 Season and Virus Talk

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  1. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
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    Oh, I see Amazon is now opposing mail-in voting . . . Huh, wonder why

     
  2. Westside Cosmo

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    Oct 4, 2007
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  3. Westside Cosmo

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  4. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

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    Folks can’t admit they wasted a year of their life on hiding in their houses and wearing masks and disinfecting their mail for no good reason

     
  5. Penwyth

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    "for no good reason"...death for someone?
     
  6. Dynamo_Forever

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    Aug 9, 2007
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    The death percentages aren't high enough for the Pro-Life folks to care.
     
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  7. Westside Cosmo

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    we don’t make the same argument for flu season do we? Under that theory we should never leave the house
     
  8. Westside Cosmo

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    Is 99.8% survival rate too low for you?

     
  9. Westside Cosmo

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    I almost forgot about this guy - maybe he can wear 4 masks instead of just 2 LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

     
  10. Westside Cosmo

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    Yeah, this whole virus thing has nothing to do with politics at all, especially in blue states that “follow the science”

     
  11. Westside Cosmo

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  12. AcetheTigah

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    Apr 6, 2005
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    After listening to the first couple of weeks of press conferences by various government agencies:

    Technocracy >>>>> Trump’s attempt at Autocracy
     
  13. AcetheTigah

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    Apr 6, 2005
    Woodlands, TX
    Cue up 50 rebuttal message from West
    Sorry Westworld I have you on ignore
    Besides I am not qualified to help you with your paranoias and deluded conspiracies. Please seek professional help.
     
  14. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

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    @AcetheTigah - once a Doomer, always a Doomer
     
  15. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    BTW, Roger Stone had already registered a Stop the Steal organization in 2016 which was shelved for obvious reasons. This thing was astroturfed. A crybaby playbook was worked up in case they lost. You can tell because both times he had already rattled off a list of ways he would say it was rigged -- before it even happened.

    In reality, no courts or secretaries of state signed off. But this was a designed disinformation and insurrection machine they had ready if he ever lost.
     
  16. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    Even if you don't care about 26 million infected, or some of the long term issues we face from them, we are at 435k dead, at which point only idiots are calling factualists "doomers." 435k is Minneapolis, Oakland, Tampa. One whole city that size, wiped off the map. Which is why the GOP wants to discuss ages and existing conditions. We are long past 9/11 or most of the nasty wars we have ever fought, which were treated like real national crises as opposed to dismissed with sloppy use of statistics.

    The only question is whether we get enough vaccinated fast enough to head this off before we approach 1918 numbers. Unvaccinated we were rapidly heading towards 600-700k which was the 1918 estimate -- and even that would be comparing a test count to a vague guesstimate.

    At least part of what the GOP rhetoric misses is, as here, the 1918 flu accelerated over time. Looking back we will see a lot of the damage was done November-January. Like 1918 saw most of the deaths year 2.
     
  17. juvechelsea

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    Feb 15, 2006
    The flaw in his analysis was in 1918 you had war production churning away -- a la 1945 -- and then no crash. So you take away the war, end the flu, and voila, bonkers.

    He is also indulging in the superficial technologist's fallacy that this will be an on off switch. Particularly if we treat vaccination as a voluntary matter, slowly produce the stuff capitalistically rather than mass produce it a la DPA, and then the vaccine is short duration, and not everyone took it, and not everyone has been sick, and the virus is still out there.......you're talking a few years' transition period of some level of virus, of flareups, of the need to protect yourself, of it being debatable if it is safe to be in groups.

    After all, what seems ignored in the 50-95% efficacy stats, is that is the number for does it work or not. There are vaccines that are a coin flip. Vaccines sound nice but if a coin flip vaccine is in the national supply, you won't be sure if it works for you or not. The "vaccine passport" ideas assume 100% efficacy. The reality is even Pfizer 1-in-20 would still get sick.

    The GOP likes to pimp the idea that technology will solve any problems we have. Vaccines will help but unless you get highly efficacious vaccines and/or herd levels of immunity, covid is going to be continuing to make low level visits. And if covid is still around then maybe we're not filling casinos and movies. At least not the bright ones, not yet.

    FWIW didn't we discuss in terms of Fertitta buying us that he was in debt trouble? Doesn't he have a distorting incentive to say it's time to get back to normal?
     
  18. juvechelsea

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    Feb 15, 2006
    What Biden needs to do is get business leaders behind the notion that we need to wipe this out and universally vaccinate if we want the economy going. If you leave this up to choice and chance even the wise people vaccinating will not be able to 100% trust their own dose, much less those around them. And setting aside altruism, the idea that I can trust those around me is probably more important in terms of moving forward. The way to lean on that is Exxon won't let you in the building without one. I am amazed we are letting nurses, prison staff, etc. even have the right to say no.
     
  19. juvechelsea

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    Feb 15, 2006
    Re your Newsom curve analysis, it's stupid decisionmaking. Just like Abbott.

    What you then need to admit is you aren't calmly saying, take your time, you give them grief for doing any measures. Concern trolling, basically. You adopt a liberal conceit for the purposes of critiquing him when you'd just as soon have no measures at all.

    Perhaps we need a NYC reminder of what no measures at all looks like. Maybe the idea here is we're supposed to reflexively back Cuomo and Newsom, but we don't. I think they've done horrible jobs. I think they are indistinguishable from Abbott's math bull. You create a lot of math and science related standards to pretend you are acting in such a way, you then arbitrarily do whatever. For Abbott that is very little. For the others, more serious measures.

    My experience is many teacher friends whose standards are constantly being surpassed and yet nothing happens to the school response. To me many of these standards are intended to be something you can mention when the virus eases up -- like, I can let you out now but will respond to at 5% -- and then when 5% hits your bluff is called. Like Trump you hoped it would never hit the number. So you do what you planned to do anyway. Which is true in either political direction.

    I would love it if we were actually number and science driven but this is a mess well beyond an easy fix.
     
  20. juvechelsea

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    Feb 15, 2006
    The new GOP mask arguments are bunk. What we should be doing is mass producing N95s. DPA 3M. That way people can get the good stuff. The absence of that choice forces you to make do. Making do is better than nothing.

    Let's cut the crap. Think about it this way. When a disease doc or nurse prepares for work, how do they dress? Exactly. If you are trying to reduce your chances, that is your template. Only a moron says, I don't need to dress like a doctor for an epidemic. Are you smarter than a doctor? No. Do what they do. If you wanna say, well, I don't live in a covid ward, I don't need it, that's your risk choice.

    It's utterly cynical. At the time they were talking in March "masks" meant the 3M stuff. I was early in on that for obvious reasons and your choices were like sports masks or trying to find tapped-out 3M stuff. So they were talking about 3M and they BSed that they weren't sure whether it worked. Because they needed everything they could get for hospitals.

    The cottage industry popped up of cloth masks. And the data shows it helps at least a little. So the cynical PR line flipped. And lest we forget who was selling that line.

    The data does support a N95 is better as is multiple mask layers. But that is a silly argument to say, well, one mask doesn't work. Common sense says the response to that is ask for N95. Geez.
     
  21. juvechelsea

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    Feb 15, 2006
    For comparison, if you are worried about head injuries in football, you wear a helmet. Helmets are not 100% effective. People get paralyzed or killed. We don't say, you don't have to wear one.....

    Or, there are big shin guards with ankle protection and hard plastic, there are the tiny things you slip in your socks, and there is "naked." If you see one too many people break a leg or sprain an ankle and no longer trust the slip in shin guards, common sense dictates stepping up, not saying "they don't work" and letting people kick you in a naked tibia.

    I hear they are coming up with masks that have theoretical covid exposure meters like geiger counters. Who knows if it works. But that if effective would be the equivalent of how I once had a name brand shin guard snapped in half and walked away with nothing more than a nasty shin bruise. You have that happen once you know the "don't need shin guards" people are idiots.

    The basic problem is with a microscopic virus and no contact tracing we have no idea how many bullets we have dodged.
     
  22. Westside Cosmo

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    1355286989445054465 is not a valid tweet id
     
  23. Westside Cosmo

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    Yeah about that vaccine


    https://www.newsweek.com/rep-stephe...&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
     
  24. Dynamo_Forever

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    Aug 9, 2007
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  25. Westside Cosmo

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    so one of the first groups of double dosed people who is a Congressman happens to be in the 5%? Or maybe it’s not 95% and not worth the risk.
     

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