We need a new coach, some new players here and there but, above all, new ideas. Love ZZ and hope he can win a title this season, but RM has been far from exciting for some time now.
Agree on all points. Also to break free from "these players come for Zidane!" mindset, seeing how all these players that leave dunk on him the minute they sign elsewhere.
Exactly, I could get behind a Nagelsman b3cause he brings fresh ideas and his philosophy is positive but Allegri? No thanx, not only is his football shit, there are also no guarantees he could get the best out of these veterans and that’s important because we know he’s not going to be integrating the youth.
I'm gonna say it here and be honest about it, Nagelsmann isn't all that, at least right now. I don't think he is incompetent, just don't think he's particularly special. The only big things he's achieving is being "the youngest coach to..." and that's pretty obvious when you're coaching since your early 20s. You've got a head start to a lot of people, he's younger than some players on the current Real Madrid squad. I see him mentioned a lot and i think he's not a winning coach. I'm afraid this is kind of the next Villas Boas, a young guy with all the promise in the world who then gets to drive the big wheels and everything collapses.
Its been shown over and over again that the only managers who succeed here are ones who can handle big personalities. Young coaches with ideas have never worked out here.
There was a huuuuuge disconnect between what the socios wanted for this club and Zidane. I am not sure who dropped the ball there but someone probably went against certain things that were agreed upon when Zidane returned to the club.
Maybe right step for him next is Dortmund and see if he could win a league title like Klopp did there(twice). That would show if he's the next Klopp/Simeone or another AVB.
I don’t know how people think Raul could come in a do a great job. I’m not buying the “because Pep and Zizou managed success”. It’s a massive no from me on Raul, right now.
As far as this hypothetical goes I guess the call for Raul is because of his time here but i am not sold on him either, i'm not sure what he has achieved as yet and ZZ and Pep are exceptions rather than the rule at that level IMO
Zizou had some senior level experience as an Assistant Manager, and then travelled around Europe, shadowing other top tier managers. A Raul appointment would simply be for sentimental reasons, and massively disappointing.
When Flo forced Zidane on Mou and Carlo, and they were probably like well the guy never talks and the boys will be excited to have him around so it shouldn't be a problem. If Flo tried to force Zidane to accept letting his successor sit on the bench and watch, Zidane would probably slap him and quit on the spot.
I think it would be kinda cool if Raul, a pragmatic player, made us play beautiful football, while ZZ and his beautiful style as a player made us a very pragmatic team under his coaching.
The ones that “leave” still have their fingernail and teeth marks on the posts of the goals at Valdebebas. The fact that Zidane had to drag them out of the club by their feet and throw them into a taxi is probably why they can’t keep their gobs shut. For me, we have a mediocre squad. It’s the fundamental issue at the club. We have bought one “star” player at the club in the past few years. We have sold or released three “stars” over that time. I want to see quality players at the club first and foremost. Once that’s done, the very next priority will be to see if the manager is getting the best out of them.
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Why don’t you address the point. Do you think we have a squad that is a top four European team? Will bringing in a new manager but keeping this same squad be good enough to challenge for both the CL and league? We are way off where we should be in terms of squad quality, and you know it. As long as we have this squad we will continue to have lumpy results where we can beat some top teams if everyone is on form and playing well, and we will lose to mediocre teams when that isn’t the case.
No, but i don't think we should be, but top 10 should be within the realms of expectations. Losing two very realistic trophies in one week due to stubborn decisions (Lucas Vazquez as a fullback being the tip of the iceberg here). Mismanagement of assets falls right into Zidane's field of responsibilities, and we're top four in europe at that right now. You could put a pretty strong 11 with players Zidane is barely using and players that left because he wasn't using them. A team including Achraf, Reguilon, Militao, Llorente, Hermoso, Brahim Diaz, James, Odegaard, Jovic, the way most of these guys are playing right now, is competing for a CL spot in Spain. Seeing that, and saying "well, this team has no quality and depth" is quite absurd. You get a Ceballos and a Kovacic here and there (a player who generally is what he is), but it seems to me the overwhelming part of the players on loan are doing pretty well for themselves. Arguably better than the player that is playing in their position at the club, or at least good enough to play for this club. It depends on who you compare the team to quite frankly. Do you think the teams that beat us had better squads? Look at who we dropped points to/were defeated by: Alcoyano Athletic Bilbao Osasuna Elche Shaktar Donetsk Deportivo Alaves Villareal Valencia Gladbach Cadiz Real Socieded Do these teams have the "quality" we're lacking? Does Atalanta, our CL opponent have the "quality" we're lacking as a squad?
No, you just don't understand, we just have to get rid of all the players that Zizou dislikes regardless of their actual quality and sign the ones that Zizou likes, that's the only way forward. It's mind-boggling, you can have all the squad depth in the world but what's the use of it when those players are going to get ignored to the point where they want to leave?
This is a really stupid argument because this can be used for every single team in the world. Man city have a top team and a top manager and I could bring you a list of teams below them that they’ve drawn or lost to. Bayern, PSG, Liverpool etc. All big teams lose to smaller teams. The thing you compare us to is our standards. We are way off our own standards in terms of squad, first fourteen players particularly. You know it but you’re arguing for the sake of it. This squad is a “challenging for top two in Liga and quarterfinals in CL” type squad. Which is probably where we end up. It’s not “automatic champions of liga and easy semi finals of CL” squad. Carry on if you like, but the personnel changes need to come this summer, and they can’t come fast enough for me. I’ll reserve judgement on the manager until then.
I disagree there, and the results justify my opinion: We're beating the big teams and show up in big games, but the wagon falls apart due to injuries and general fatigue management because we're terrible at managing our depth.
Like I said, we need a new coach AND new players in key positions. A front three of Vini, Benz and Asensio simply won't win us trophies, regardless of the coach.
A lot of that is down to player mentality and external pressures put on the club due to historical success and expectations, forcing the players to up their game occasionally. I'm not saying that Zizou is blame free for mis-managing some of the new talent, but at the same time, I'm also not convinced that the squad is to a standard that is expected to compete on a European scale.