Covid, Lockdown and Hazard. New Year, Same Crap and Nothing New - The Winter Transfer Thread

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Will we have a significant January transfer window?

  1. Yes

    2 vote(s)
    5.1%
  2. No

    37 vote(s)
    94.9%
  1. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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  2. Shay Z

    Shay Z Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    Heavily disagree.

    He chose to remain in France because he wanted to “gain experience” and he wanted to win the WC. Both objectives complete. His next logical step is to go to a European superpower and mark an era. That’s how you map out your career with your agent when you’re a young superstar. His name will reach the stratosphere with our brand (or Manchester or Barcelona) behind it. His game will improve (its clearly stagnated) when more is demanded from him and he’s around experienced world class players and being coached by a legend like Zidane, a guy who enters a room and makes stars like Mbappe and Neymar act like fanboys.

    Another point is the mindset of a top alpha athlete. It’s not normal. They’ve been the best player on any team they’ve played in since they were 10yrs old. Their confidence is so absolute they think they will step into a team and instantly make them a contender. The only thing Mbappe might ask about is Zidane. Coaching matters. He would want a proven trophy winning coach like Zidane to stay with him if he decides to sign here. Trust me he isn’t thinking about Odegaard or Vinicius. Lebron didn’t join the lakers because he thought they were one player away from a championship. He joined because he knew he can be the man who can take them there. Cristiano didn’t hesitate even once before joining us while we were changing coaches like shirts every year and failing in the CL. If you’re the man you know you’re the man.

    He’s 23, he’s won French leagues and he’s won the World Cup. It’s the perfect time to step up into the big show and make a super club his own.
     
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  3. Digital

    Digital Member+

    Dec 10, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Sometimes yes sometimes no, like every single one of our players, all round though IMO he's still a better player than all of them at this time
    That's fair enough
     
  4. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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  5. MaxY

    MaxY Member+

    May 24, 2016
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    Everybody acting like Mbappe is the man on that PSG team, like Neymar doesn't exist.
     
  6. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Neymar has been one of the best 5 players on the planet for a whole lot of years though. Being at a similar level to him at 23 isn't a problem, it's a compliment to a players quality.
     
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  7. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Isn't that even better for us?

    For him to believe he must leave to take that next step and then for him to actually explode and reach his potential because he left PSG for Madrid?
     
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  8. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    I do wonder how his wages will look like though, I assume he's going to be on something close to 17 mil. net if even Alaba is supposed to get 11. By the time we extend his contract he'll have to be Balon D'Or level for this to be somehow something we improve on.
     
  9. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    --other--
    I think he'd earn around 21 ME which Ron was getting at RM. Messi gets 50 M, Neymar 35 M and Ron currently 32 M. Hazard around 15 M. Think Mbappe would want to earn comfortably more than Hazard.
     
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  10. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Maybe he doesn't want that either.

    Its alot of pressure and our current "project" looks kinda sketchy to say the least. I think at the moment and the immediate future his chances of winning a CL are better at PSG. For personal growth he needs a challenge but he could become a better player, miss out on titles and still be judged harshly (see Neymar).

    We also don't even know how the different leagues (economies) will look like post covid-19. Maybe French teams will be able to spend while Spanish teams are all offloading assets.
     
  11. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Looking at PSG's run at the CL last year, and determining that Mbappe has a better chance of winning it with them, rather than us, is short-sighted.
    I don't think PSG will be able to reinforce adequately enough in the summer given FFP and the financial issues that Ligue 1 have had with rights.

    If fans are allowed back into stadiums by the Autumn, we should be in a good spot to be able to spend and reinforce in the summer.

    He's got to be thinking about the next 4-5 years of his career with regards to which club he wants to play for.
     
  12. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    On the other hand, if we don't start making better use of all the young players we have, he's looking at a squad where the youngest starter is Mendy who'll be 26 at that point.
     
  13. DoughB

    DoughB Member

    Real Madrid
    Oct 26, 2020
    Jezus. But hopefully he stays "unmotivated".
     
  14. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Did we sell Valverde and Rodrygo?

    Dammit Zidane!
     
  15. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    I mean Mbappe would be here to take Rodrygo's spot as a starter, and Valverde hasn't been a starter for months now.
     
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  16. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Valverde has appeared in 20 matches and started 12 of them. He subbed in the other 8 and this is taking consideration he missed 7 matches due to injury and need to recover from the first significant one.

    Rodrygo shouldn't be relied on as a starter every match and along with Mbappe he has versatility in his game. Both players can play left, center and right.


    Every post you are going more and more negative exaggerating things to be far worse than what they are. It's as if you're trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Doesn't matter.

    I will continue to pummel you with facts and positivity till you come back to the light lol.
     
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  17. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    United States

    Valverde isn't exactly some super talent. He just has some attributes nobody else had because for whatever reason the club stockpiled number 10's (Isco, James, Kroos, Modric, Odegaard) and we really didn’t have a "real" box to box midfielder so he was able to stand out.

    Also Valverde was making steady progress all along going from Castilla to Deporting came back and worked his way into the lineup under Solari and Zidane, but for about the last year under Zidane he stagnated and arguably even regressed. Not a good sign.
     
  18. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Out of his last 10 matches, he's only started 4. Modric is the indisputable starter.

    Let's argue for the sake of argument that Valverde is a starter. That doesn't nullify the point that if we continue to alienate young talent, we are left with an aging squad with nothing behind them. We have no one behind Benzema, no one behind Kroos, no one behind Casemiro, no one behind Mendy, no one behind Carvajal, and a usually out of form Vincius behind the fragile Hazard. We are always one injury away from a crisis. I know you love to be a contrarian and go against the grain, but there is a balance between both sides. Not every criticism means you're a "hater", and no one is perfect. Zidane has a lot of faults, and he's partly to blame for where we are currently. Florentino takes the bulk of the blame, but the man management of the squad has been brutal to say the least. Florentino hasn't properly enforced the squad in years, but Zidane hasn't properly managed the squad at his disposal either.
     
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  19. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    So he started 40% of the matches with an inform GOAT ahead of him. How in the hell is that bad for him? There are only three positions, what do you expect him to start all matches?

    You guys are losing it.

    He hasn't even been in good form and he has started almost half of his last matches coming back from injury and more than half on the season.

    Stop being miserable man, not a good look.


    No one is arguing against this. The argument is not ALL young talent like you and the rest of the siempre negativos and chicken littles exaggerate about daily.


    Zidane also didn't do a good job analyzing which players we did buy when Florentino actually let us spend something. He quit and won all that goodwill to force Florentino to support him and we bought some duds.

    In the end, I'm not arguing against this either and agree with this.
     
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  20. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Ramos apparently has a 3 year offer from PSG for 15M a year. If so, no hard feelings, but I don't think the club should match. Get Alaba and let's move on.
     
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  21. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    How the f*ck do they manage to stay within FFP limits? Or do they have favourable team wages? I guess Cavani is off the books now.
     
  22. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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    3 years is a lot. He'd have a contract until 38 and is picking up injuries already here and there. Would rather keep Militao and add Alaba. PSG doesn't care as they gonna win Ligue 1 every year anyways.
     
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  23. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    FFP was discarded for last season due to Covid. Guess it will the same this summer given a whole season without fans.
     
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  24. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    If we lose Varane too, it wouldn’t put us in a good spot with both of our two starting CBs leaving in a season, surely?
     
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  25. Saint Iker

    Saint Iker Ronaldo's Right Foot

    Dec 5, 2009
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I feel very conflicted about this if I'm honest. I understand that's a lot of money for someone at this stage in his career as a final payday so I wouldn't begrudge him for taking it and for us to not match it but I do feel that both the squad and the club would be underestimating the impact of him leaving especially when there's no one on the roster that can fill his place (both his on-field position and as captain).

    I hope he renews with us soon.
     
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