England Senior Team General Discussion Thread

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  1. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Hoddle wasn't underused by Robson - he played pretty much whenever fit until his knees went. Maybe by Greenwood, but he had his established veterans. People forget how often he was injured.

    I also don't really see Gazza as being that neglected. Robson had him as a regular once he broke into the squad in 89, but he missed massive chunks of seasons after that. From 91 to 95, he had a little over one year of regular playing time (late 92 through to end of 93). He picked up 8 caps in that time.
    Once he went to Rangers, Vanables played him whenever fit.
    He didn't manage to play 30 league games in a season after 1990, and certainly wasn't the same player after his knee injury.
     
  2. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Could only really pick three centre forwards if you want the other attacking options.
     
  3. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Interesting that you went with Abraham over DCL or Ings.

    I still feel that Sancho might miss out.
     
  4. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    First time I’ve heard anyone claim Gazza was neglected. Maybe the point is related to Graham Taylor’s reign and the style of play. Even then Gazza was treated much better than other creative options.
     
  5. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Pretty close but my preference in Abraham.

    I hope not.
     
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  6. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Just going off what former teammates were saying
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Hoddle didn't do Gazza any favours as England manager, and maybe that's what people remember. He did have him in and out of the team, but he was clearly declining massively by then - it was only his reputation keeping him in the squad from 1997 onwards. How he handled leaving him out of the 98 squad was extremely poor though.

    Gazza won 57 caps over 10 years, during which time he only played around 200 league games.

    For comparison, Frank Lampard hardly ever missed a match at his peak and had a run of 86 caps in 10 years, at a period when we played more games. That's not a huge difference given Gazza's injury record.

    If anyone should feel aggrieved at being overlooked by England around that time, it would be people like Beardsley or Le Tissier.
     
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  8. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Not sure why. Dcl offers ariel threat. Hes scoring goals, though that's gone down a bit. Abraham would be on my standby list
     
  9. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Foren should have chipped the keeper there.. it was on.
     
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  10. roverman

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    Dec 22, 2001
  11. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
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  12. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Abraham isn’t an aerial threat?
    I prefer Abraham’s link up play in this system and he’s such a unique type of threat. Uses his strength well without giving away many fouls. He’s a more complete forward than the others competing for his role IMO.

    Not that I would be outraged if someone else took the role. As I said it’s a preference.
     
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  13. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
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  14. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Just think dcl is fantastic in the air. Abraham doesn't impose himself enough
     
  15. Manchester21

    Manchester21 Member

    Manchester City
    England
    Jun 17, 2017
    Foden was brilliant again. If some of his crosses were converted or we had a striker, he would have potentially got a few assists

    seems to be starting most games now and having a big impact.
     
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  16. MrBoombastic

    MrBoombastic Member

    England
    Nov 10, 2020
    Foden was exceptional last night, everything good seemed to come down that City left hand side. Stones doing really well too and another clean sheet, him and Dias seemed to have forged a great partnership.

    Bit of a leftfield choice as I didn't rate him in the past but I really thought Targett played well at LB and could be an option as backup to Chilwell. Brilliant last night and really solid whenever I've watched Villa this season.

    Personally thought Grealish and Barkley were disappointing but City didn't really let them impose themselves on the game.
     
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  17. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I think it fair to give them a pass for last night, especially Barkley.
    Villa hadn't played for almost three weeks, and Barkley for a couple of months.
     
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  18. BarryfromEastenders

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    Jul 6, 2008
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  20. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Burnley with 10 englishmen beating Liverpools foreign legion
     
  21. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Pope was very good. Coming well for the corners. Some good saves aswell.

    Tom Heaton said in the studio that Grealish came back from England duty saying he couldn’t believe how hard it was to score past him.

     
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  22. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Didn’t see the match tonight but not hearing good reports about TAA once again. Most players go through dips in form so hopefully he regains his form for the Euro’s but it must be a slight concern for Southgate since he’s been off since the start of the season.
     
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  23. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I wouldn’t be as worried now as I was a year ago because reece james is easily good enough to cover him
     
  24. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    He’s just knackered mate. Needs a rest as do Sterling and Rashford.
     
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  25. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    That will be our downfall. We have tons of talent but fatigue will hinder us at the euros. Selfish club sides couldn't give two hoots about the national team
     

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