News: 2020 Season and Virus Talk

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  1. AcetheTigah

    AcetheTigah Member+

    Apr 6, 2005
    Woodlands, TX
    We do but you just keep going back to your bevy if conspiracy propaganda posters for some false claim.
    I can’t help people that want to believe in falsehoods or try to find some kernel half truth to justify what he has already decided.
    Like I said it’s like trying to deprogram David Koresh or the Unabomber.
    It’s a wasted of my time so you go back to an ‘ignored member’ Westie.
    #Sad
     
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  2. AcetheTigah

    AcetheTigah Member+

    Apr 6, 2005
    Woodlands, TX
    BTW
    Parler is back up on another server now - guess where the server is located?

    Russia.
     
  3. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All of your claims are refutable (masks work/Trump MAGA are the main spreaders; hospitals completely overwhelmed) so you just don't like being pointed out that you are wrong. You lack the depth of argument and just parrot the talking points you hear on TV/social media.

    The doomers on here would rather things get horribly worse so they can just talk about how "right they were" and justify their insane behavior of the last 10 months instead of actually seeing the true risks and attempting to live a normal life.
     
  4. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

     
  5. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020
    Me too. Hopefully the domestic terrorists that attacked our peaceful transition of power rot in prison.
     
  6. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    https://gcfp.mit.edu/pandemics-depr...erventions-do-not-evidence-from-the-1918-flu/

    as with the schools, your theories on the economy are disagreed with by economists. "Researchers studied the 1918 flu and found that while the pandemic reduces the manufacturing output by 18%, regions that intervened earlier and more aggressively not only ended up with fewer deaths, but also recovered faster economically after the pandemic."

    just like i can go to work sick, technically seem productive because i am there, but do less than usual, draw the illness out, and get everyone else sick; or i can go see the doctor, get diagnosed and given meds, isolate myself from work where fewer get sick from me, lose a day or two, but come back well and at usual productivity. i think over time that nets out the superior income, shorter illness, better productivity, less spread. but the "perfect attendance" people from high school disagree, but then many of them were not less sickly or infectious than the ones who stayed home, they just favored the abstraction over the concrete.

    going back to schools, i had always imagined CDC would lead in such an event, and they really didn't, and that has to do with messonnier and trump. her honesty was trouble for trump getting re-elected. he tried to shut up CDC and the science was also distorted. where it relates -- the main body of CDC was skeptical on school opening and wanted stringent guidelines, so they gagged them and instead amplified the mental health wing of the CDC claiming kids needed school for mental health reasons. essentially a la iraq they went around looking for support for a particular policy decision, a minority POV and when they found someone saying what they wanted they handed them a megaphone.
     
  7. Dynamo_Forever

    Dynamo_Forever Member+

    Aug 9, 2007
    Clear Lake, TX
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    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm really amazed (not surprised) how you don't see a difference between what happened during the Summer and people forcing their way into our Nations Capital during a joint session of Congress with the intent to stop the certification of our Nation's election.
     
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  8. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    United States

     
  9. Dynamo_Forever

    Dynamo_Forever Member+

    Aug 9, 2007
    Clear Lake, TX
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    What do you think you're proving with that tweet? LOL It's just sad
     
  10. Dynamo_Forever

    Dynamo_Forever Member+

    Aug 9, 2007
    Clear Lake, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why spend time refuting your constant spew of tweets? If you read in the feed for some of the crap you post, people have already given reasons the tweet is misleading or inaccurate. I bet you're one of those people that share false crap on Facebook too without a second thought.
     
  11. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    to me the research/rationale for reopening schools ie it's ok when community spread is nothing, verges on contentless tautology and doesn't reflect our reality.

    it's a tautology because if spread is basically nil almost anything would probably be ok. business as usual. not just a reason for schools to reopen but everything.

    spread is not nil here.

    it's ironic that you trump-et studies saying we can further reopen schools if spread is zeroed -- my position, which only happens with active measures -- while touting a dysfunctional policy suite where your school position can't safely take place.
     
  12. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    That the “insurrection” is a bit of a dramatic description for what looks like cops letting people in
     
  13. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    DO YOU CARE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DEAD COP WHO TRIED TO HOLD HIS POSITION? grotesque. you're implying this was a kid's tea party. this guy got here to get the velvet glove treatment because there was a violent confrontation where one cop and one rioter were killed, cops sent to hospital, 3 rioters died of medical emergencies, endless footage of weapons and people being shoved into door jambs, smashed windows, doors, etc.

    yes, after that in a laidback democracy where the congress has been evacuated so the threat is down, we can treat this like reasoning with a homeless person in a chipotle.

    what you're not acknowledging is if he gives them the aggressive treatment it's a bigger bloodbath to achieve the same endgame. so they kid glove the rioters inside and then file charges after. congress is evacuated so it's an empty building. a key reason the line was initially held at various places was to allow congress to retreat to safety.

    so that the sweethearts with a hangman's setup, zip ties, lists of names, etc. could "take a tour." or sit in the gallery for the hearing. i am sure that's what the nice coordinated neonazis in tactical gear wanted, was to calmly cross legs in the gallery and watch their guy lose.
     
  14. Ethos

    Ethos Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    Apr 28, 2019
    Houston
    I am a Republican, and I believe we do need to shift left on one key issue for sure; Healthcare. It is so messed up in this country and we do need a new direction. Republicans have no real plan, and I don't see why we leave this flank so blatantly exposed. I don't have the answers, I am not a Healthcare expert, but I think that Republicans should meet with some of thos experts and create an actual plan.

    We are also supposed to be the individual freedom party, so maybe we could support Marijuana legislation and a new way to deal with addiction.
     
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  15. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    let's be clear, the reason the rioters are alive is donald, for all his outsider posturing, was not just the inciter but the ultimate insider -- the president -- deciding the nature of the response to his incitement.

    and in many countries you would have been mowed down for trying to breach the houses of government. how do you think this gets handled in china or russia? they carry out body bags and in russia probably make sure it's as nasty as possible to send a message.

    we did this nice because we are trying to be a nice democracy. i am also curious if this cop realizes one of his colleagues is headed to hospital dying, others injured, etc.

    a podcast i listen to noted that if one considers the disparate treatment of this riot and the BLM stuff one reaches interesting conclusions and contradictions on how such things should be policed. i know plenty who seem to want this kid gloved but the BLM stuff handled aggressively.

    it kind of forces the question of what the general standard should be. congress being there changes the equation until they are evacuated, but should we be indulgent or aggressive? we seem all over the place. trump supporters in particular seem all over the place. people claiming law and order after BLM**** who then act like if you aren't arresting everyone you shouldn't arrest anyone. which is the opposite of law and order -- it's really principleless rhetorical ju jitsu. i'd prefer one standard applied to everyone.

    ****the right seems unaware summer protest problem children were in fact arrested and charged.
     
  16. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    a key lesson of this should be that when we ask in future presidential debates the "peaceful transfer of power" question, usually a bland pro forma rote exercise intended to trigger two "duh, yeses," the slightest equivocation should be disqualifying/ lose you the election. donald doesn't believe in democracy, he believes in the ones he wins. at the root of birtherism -- that obama was a secret kenyan who couldn't be president -- or electionism -- that he hgnuiwon this time and it was rigged -- is the antidemocratic belief that dems can't really win such things legitimately, haven't won one this century. 7 out of the last 8 popular votes notwithstanding.

    the subtle thing missed by most GOP and their far right rioters is that the reason trump has a list of theories on a list of states is because he lost by 70 electors -- several states -- and so it has to have been "stolen" in state after state to work as a speculative fiction. if it's "just georgia" it's "just over."

    let's be real, they were suing or being sued in probably just about every state fighting over election laws. any antidemocratic loser could go back after the fact and pretend they lost the election because they lost the lawsuit. and the lawsuits -- unsuccessful or not -- could then be their narrative. you could do this every election.

    i could do this for texas. USPS was slowed to a crawl by the postmaster. abbott reduced absentee turnin sites -- usually every JP annex -- down to a central site in each county -- as though JP courthouses are insecure as opposed to often sharing a building with the precinct sheriff office. as though you're not already showing an ID to turn in an absentee ballot in person. abbott and paxton pushed for absentee ballots to be narrowly allowed despite the pandemic. etc. etc.

    see, it was "stolen!" no, not really. none of that is showing how anyone actually voted. there is always a big yawning gap between policy theories and showing what the vote was. the numbers are what they are. the courts signed off on the texas theories, no matter how dumb i think they are. we lost. secretary of state says we lost. in a democracy, it's over. lick your wounds, nominate different judges, change the election laws next time.

    and at the heart of this is the silliness of an incompetent loudmouth who governed to his base thinking there was no possible way he could lose. this is actually an objective lesson in governing to your base ensures you have one term. his approval rating was around 40. he was losing the polls. where does the certitude come from? reality is he p*ssed people off and got drubbed out of office for it.
     
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  17. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
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  18. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    Last Summer saw Americans burning down an entire Police Station.
    Then some went and attacked various places of their own State's government infrastructure.
    And others burning down, tried to as the fire was put out thank God, a centuries old church right next to the White House. I mean who burns down an old church.
    I wanted to vomit when I watched those Americans that thought it appropriate to storm our nation's capitol so I hear you on the sanctity of such a building but I do need to post what was attacked/burned last Summer if it is brought up.
    Protest. Check. Fine.
    Attack and burn private or government property. Naw. Not fine.

    I hear you on this!
    I would like to think we, right leaners, could formulate a proposal that any leftie would back where we, our government, can at the very least provide total, high end health care to our nation's youth. This as a starting point for the topic of Universal Health Care moving forward in time and resources.
     
  19. AcetheTigah

    AcetheTigah Member+

    Apr 6, 2005
    Woodlands, TX
    https://news.yahoo.com/americans-stopped-believing-facts-164643818.html

    Maybe we need to go back to the FCC fair doctrine decree to help in the battle of this misinformation war

    we can’t have Alex Jones running around spewing stuff that make people act crazy just like we shouldn’t allow guys like David Koresh stockpile armories if automatic weapons and rape teenage girls under the auspices of ‘God given rights to religious and democratic freedoms’
     
  20. AcetheTigah

    AcetheTigah Member+

    Apr 6, 2005
    Woodlands, TX
    I think the morals and teachings of religions are crucial for the fabric of this country but there are too many wicked people leading people astray cloaking themselves with the American Flag and Bible.
     
  21. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    School has taken place safely in person for the last 4 months Doomer

     
  22. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
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    United States
    I remember years ago, before social media took off and things got really bonkers, when Michael Savage argued against the Fairness Doctrine by bluntly suggesting it was liberals trying to destroy what they can't control. The thing is, the Fairness Doctrine wasn't the "Liberal Control Snare" far right conservatives love to spin it as. Really, it was more of a "Let's keep the crazies off the airwaves" kind of policy intended to keep political discourse as close to the moderate center as possible, which traditionally goes either way, since the doctrine's creation was to prevent media platforms from publicly smearing politicians and parties. This affected all sides.

    The doctrine was removed in the late 80s during the Reagan years where every member of the administration thought anyone or anything that wasn't "America is the best country in the goddamn world" was a communist (which they thought was the main TV networks due to their constant criticism of Reagan), which helped set in motion the rise of conservative talk radio and the rise of Clear Channel (now iHeart Radio), not to mention Sinclair Broadcasting (as cable channels, places like Fox News and One America News had less restrictions; I'm talking about "free" media). I am not saying that Rush Limbaugh begat Alex Jones, but rather it helped set the stage for people who otherwise would be condemned as "raving derelicts". Opponents will try to use the First Amendment argument, but they also forget that the First Amendment only protects your right to say things, not have immunity from what you say. If you believe what you mean, you be a big boy and own to it.
     
  23. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

     
  24. Ethos

    Ethos Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    Apr 28, 2019
    Houston
    Unless you are talking about social shaming, your definition of the 1st is very wrong. Not having immunity from what you say, would by its very nature, silence people. Free speech is only confined by very special and rare circumstances. The government has very little control over speech and that is a very good thing.
     
  25. Dynamo_Forever

    Dynamo_Forever Member+

    Aug 9, 2007
    Clear Lake, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     

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