The Red Baron: Josh Sargent at Norwich City

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  1. m vann

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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
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    We have the same conversation week in and week out about Sargent. I bet there are 75+ pages of the same shit. That’s a problem. We make all kinds of excuses for him. I do it. I am guilty as sin. I am one of his big defenders. We all see that he does so many things right but he can’t score. He gets paid to score. It’s not happening. Something’s gotta happen for the kid. I don’t want this to turn into a career issue. Sargent is too talented for that. The silver lining is that he continues to work his ass off. I hope this work pays off sooner than later.
     
  2. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    I thought Sargent was Bremen’s best player today apart from maybe Toprak. He won a ton of headers and maintained possession long enough to find a teammate. The problem is that that’s all he could do. He’d get the ball with 2-3 defenders nearby, but no teammates.

    I completely get why people want to see him score consistently before we anoint him as a top player, but the reality is that nobody could score consistently in the role he plays and the talent around him.

    I think he will play well with Reyna and Pulisic. I just hope he gets out of Bremen this summer.
     
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  3. wixson7

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    1350495427838300161 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  4. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

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    I remember when Klinsnman would allow him to score while being offsides during scrimmage games so he would get his mojo back.
     
  5. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
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    Let's see how he does when he gets back with the USMNT.
     
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  6. TarHeels17

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    Looked pretty damn good to me
     
  7. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    woah back up full stop. I am for sure the one who's probably been the biggest supporter of Sargent. Yes the lack of goals are an issue. But once again yes his age does matter here. He's shouldering the load of a relegation battler in the Bundesliga. If you don't think he'd pound in goals at the 2nd level, I don't know what to tell you we're watching two different players. The gap between the Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 is quite significant IMO.

    People act like Jozy didn't go from scoring no goals in the Prem to scoring a ton in Holland. Level and team composition matters and Werder just isn't v good.


    Sargent is a guy that is going to really benefit if he can play in a summer tournament. I don't think he NEEDS to leave Werder, but he needs a period of play where his team has a talent advantage to gain some more confidence in his game within the 18. We need to see it as well, because we won't know what type of striker he is without it. But if he's in the lineup and they keep from getting relegated that is a huge step forward even if people don't see it that way.
     
  8. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    That's why he gets offside on breakaways? Looking for his mojo?
     
  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Maybe he's one of those introverts the people around often take for arrogant, and refuses to take part of activities with his teammates outside the club. That'd explain why they ignore him on the field.
     
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  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Altidore before 21(La Liga and EPL) 2 goals and 7 assists in 1720 minutes(19 games worth)
    Sargent before 21(B1) 4 goals and 6 assists in 2693 minutes(30 games worth)

    You underestimate the degree of difficulty on the Hoppe's goals. And Sargent has had chances only to blow them. That's part of being a young forward, though.
     
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  11. gunnerfan7

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    Ouch. That’d be an unfortunate lack of professionalism that may doom Werder to the 2. Bundesliga. Of course there’s no evidence, and lots of possible reasons, just that if that’s the reason, it’s a pretty unfortunate reason.
     
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  12. DrunkOffPunch

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    Jul 14, 2020
    I don’t know how anyone can watch these games and question whether Sarge gets along with his teammates. Both the goals scored today were on crosses aimed towards him. One was poorly dealt with by the defense and fell to an open guy that karate kicked it and got just enough on it to put it in the net. The other was way behind Sarge but fell to an open teammate that almost flubbed the shot off both his feet.

    I haven’t seen all of Bremen’s games but based off what I’ve seen most of their goals are coming off hopeful shots and tons of luck. You’re not getting tap ins or open guys in the box with clean shots on goal.
     
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  13. Suyuntuy

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    He gets ignored time and again in his runs. Today I counted two that would have given him a clear chance, and three more where he'd have created danger.

    I'm not saying he doesn't get along with his mates, only that he keeps his distance and they fail to notice him, to understand what he does, due to a lack of familiarity.
     
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  14. DrunkOffPunch

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    Jul 14, 2020
    To be fair this describes Bremen’s midfield pretty accurately. Sometimes seems like half their players met for the first time in the tunnel before kickoff.
     
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  15. thedukeofsoccer

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    This week's rationalizations he's been a good CF all season:

    - can't score on this terrible team, even though he has their 8th best scoring rate
    - not as favorable of a situation as Hoppe on last place Schalke
    - his teammates are conspiring against him, not wanting assists
    - since moving back to ss/wing he's fulfilled that position's other duties well
    - doing other things well means he'd also be a good scorer if he had control

    And if you don't align, it's because you haven't watched enough or don't understand the game like me. I got the super secrets.

    Tune in next week, for another round if he doesn't score again.
     
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  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    A sumptuous display of striker play in the modern style.

     
  17. Suyuntuy

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    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    There's a reason why he plays 90. Over half of the good attacking moves by Werder start with Josh. He's playing a creative role, generates the advance, runs into position, and never gets it back.
     
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  18. gogorath

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    I'm not even sure what people are arguing any more.

    I get the backing substance of the argument, but I'm not getting the actual hypothesis. Is there a therefore or so what here?
     
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  19. LouisZ

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    I guess he still looking for it.
     
  20. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    You are so wrong so consistently. It’s boring.
     
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  21. theboogeyman

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    Jun 21, 2010
    From what I can tell, the highlight video on this page includes every touch. You tell us where he should’ve scored if it’s so obvious we are making excuses.
     
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  22. Sandon Mibut

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    Feb 13, 2001
    Werder is now 6 points from the drop zone... and 8 points from a Europa League spot!
     
  23. felloveranddidanadu

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    Dec 12, 2009
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    I ain't mad at any of that and don't care if he scores if can influence a game that much. Linked up well, held up well, defended very well. If we're comparing him to Jozy, I can't remember a time where Jozy put his body on the line like that and sacrificed himself for the team like how Josh did in these highlights. If I'm his coach I'm very happy with his performance and know the goals will come (or not, and that's not so bad either)
     
  24. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

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    By wrong consistently you mean consistently disagreed with your opinion here that had little evidence behind it to begin with and has only reduced over time.

    In the face of that you're doubling down and resorting to unearned ad hominem to distract. All to not have to admit an original sport's opinion may have been off. That's certainly a way to go.
     
  25. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
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    What they are doing with a fairly shit roster is working. Expect to see more and more of the same.
     

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