January 6, 2021: The Insurrection

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  1. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    #2801 charlie15, Jan 15, 2021
    That is a top notch visual account of the events. NY Times is excellent at putting together those.

    VISUAL INVESTIGATIONS

    How a Presidential Rally Turned Into a Capitol Rampage

    https://nyti.ms/3bvNjtb
     
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  2. Val1

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    #2802 Val1, Jan 15, 2021
    I've bookmarked that. Excellent find, 15.

    I say this in all honesty, BigSoccer is my RSS feed.
     
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  3. Boandlkramer

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    #2803 Boandlkramer, Jan 15, 2021
    Reports indicate that they were there to capture or assassinate members of congress...

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/capitol-capture-assassinate-elected-officials/index.html

    The more I learn, it’s more alarmed I get at the precision and execution.

    Capture/Kill is commonly used in military planning against human networks.

    If I’m planning an operation like what we saw on January 6, taking a military approach is probably the most efficient and effective way.

    Breaching operations

    Key fundamentals:

    Mass
    synchronization

    Elements:

    Breach
    Assault
    Command and control

    Objectives can be either terrain oriented or force oriented.

    Deny, Disrupt, Destroy, reduce

    Human networks:
    Capture, kill, isolate, support

    Targeting Effects:

    “The cumulative results of actions taken to attack targets and target systems by lethal and nonlethal means. See also target; targeting.”

    Obviously what I’m sharing above isn’t all inclusive, but it should demonstrate how military applications have been employed here in multiple capacities.

    We have a veteran problem here....
     
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  4. diablodelsol

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    #2804 diablodelsol, Jan 15, 2021
    Exhibit A in motion for change of venue.
     
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  5. dapip

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    #2805 dapip, Jan 15, 2021
    Don't forget:

    - Delay the enemy's support.
    - Get support from the inside.
     
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  6. Ashur

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    #2806 Ashur, Jan 15, 2021
     
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  7. BocaFan

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    #2807 BocaFan, Jan 15, 2021
    I like those pre-match circle jerks because usually the national anthem alone isn't enough time for me to grab a beer (damn lines!).
     
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  8. charlie15

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    #2808 charlie15, Jan 15, 2021
    Big fan of Russell Honore. He will tell it like it is.

     
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  9. Val1

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    #2809 Val1, Jan 15, 2021
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  10. taosjohn

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    #2810 taosjohn, Jan 15, 2021
    But is the "of course" more for the "cop" or more for the "used to be??"
     
  11. Ashur

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    #2811 Ashur, Jan 15, 2021
    Think he's learned now what a 'tactical retreat' is... :ROFLMAO:
     
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  12. argentine soccer fan

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    #2812 argentine soccer fan, Jan 15, 2021
    Dolphins can be aggressive. Cardinals - as most birds - I would think are territorial. Saints? Well, I'm sure if we examine those canonized by the Catholic Church, we might find some who were aggressive as well. It does seem like an odd name for an NFL team, though.
     
  13. JeremyEritrea

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    #2813 JeremyEritrea, Jan 15, 2021
    That won't happen. There is no other venue in DC to change to.
     
  14. dapip

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    #2814 dapip, Jan 15, 2021
    I suspect the name is because of him:



    [​IMG]
     
  15. diablodelsol

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    #2815 diablodelsol, Jan 15, 2021
    Honest question: can you not file a motion to move to another federal district?

    better put...has a motion to move to a different district ever been filed and approved?
     
  16. JeremyEritrea

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    #2816 JeremyEritrea, Jan 15, 2021
    Been waiting for this one

     
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  17. JeremyEritrea

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    #2817 JeremyEritrea, Jan 15, 2021
    1. yes, but getting it moved is another matter entirely - https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_21

    2. I don't know
     
  18. SamScouse

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    #2818 SamScouse, Jan 15, 2021
    possible to move the swearing in indoors, I assume that's what's referred to.
     
  19. soccernutter

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    #2819 soccernutter, Jan 15, 2021
    It is a multipronged effort needed.
    Legally
    1 - The actors must be prosecuted to the maximum. Even if there is no conviction, that will show that the courts are not ********ing around.
    2 - When convicted, they must be sentenced to the maximum jail time. No executions. That is a road not to go down.
    3 - Members of congress who gave any kind of aid/support need to be prosecuted.
    4 - Very publically go after White supremacists groups as terrorists.

    Politically
    5 - Laws need to be passed regarding safety of government officials, at least federally. I don't trust individual states to do this.
    6 - A constant drumbeat of speeches about how political violence is unacceptable.
    7 - Bills passed to address issues regarding police reform.

    Other ways
    7 - Department of Ed should tie state funding to what textbooks are used in classrooms.
    7a - Increase educational funding, not just to urban areas, but also to rural areas.
    8 - HUD should make a sustained effort at developing mix-income housing in wealthier neighborhoods.
    9 - Do not do reconciliation (see Russia, Japan (racism), US when reconstruction was halted, West Germany v. East Germany).

    Overall, there need to be consequences for the adults. But for the younger generations, this needs to be taught out. A great example of this is how Africa worked with the child soldiers.

    Also, there should be something done about gerrymandering. Not sure what, but it should be looked at.
     
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  20. charlie15

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    #2820 charlie15, Jan 15, 2021
    One quick and easy thing for the Armed Forces....Stop broadcasting Fox News 24/7 on bases and installations.
     
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  21. soccernutter

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    #2821 soccernutter, Jan 15, 2021
    For those of us on the Democratic side, I think they can be split into three groups:
    1 - Those who have accepted that a Civil War is on the horizon;
    2 - Those who believe a civil war is possible, but not yet accepted it;
    3 - Those who don't believe a civil war is possible.

    Personally, this does not surprise me at all. I fully believe had that one officer not led people away from the Senate chambers, we would be talking about dead people. Or at the least, severely injured/beaten. What I saw on Jan 6 was the White supremacist version of what I saw during the Rodney King riots - absolute rage. The fuel provided was different, but the rage (of many) allowed for damage to be severe, and deaths to occur along the way. The difference, here, is that this was organized to some lesser or greater degree.
     
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  22. SamScouse

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    #2822 SamScouse, Jan 15, 2021
    been covered in another thread (don't ask which one :) )
     
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  23. JeremyEritrea

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    #2823 JeremyEritrea, Jan 15, 2021
    No, he was referring to moving any of the terrorists' trials to another federal court because DC is close to 100% Democratic.
     
  24. SamScouse

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    #2824 SamScouse, Jan 15, 2021
    apologies. thanks.
     
  25. soccernutter

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    #2825 soccernutter, Jan 15, 2021
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    I did the same, but adding DuckDuckGo.

    All three brought up very similar results.

    And keep in mind, I had no idea what you were talking about, would never have searched it, so had no history (never got into Twin Peaks).

    Is it possible that you have searched that before? If so, and you use Google, that would explain why they gave such good search results.
     
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