eh....Sargent on the bench in MLS would be brain-dead coaching. I personally dont rate rui diaz that highly....I'd prefer Sargent but even if you thought ruidiaz is better...there's no way Sargent doesnt start in MLS for any team. For me Jordan Morris is a #9 just mved out to the wing...but he still found a way to get into the starting lineup or the coach did.... you can always play 2 strikers too....
I really don't want to get to into a Sargent discussion so I'll leave it at this. What he did in youth soccer against youth players is miles away from the current reality. Once you're able to make that distinction just watch him play and let's talk. He could start somewhere in MLS just not likely for a top team and no the Sounders wouldn't switch formations for a 20 year old support striker that doesn't score goals.
Morris seemed to be saying this as well during the press conference yesterday. Paul Tenorio: I know you'd mentioned during MLS Cup week that you were open to the potential of going to Europe if the right offer came along. We're now into the January transfer window. I wonder if there are any conversations that have occurred with Seattle or with your agent, or if any teams have approached and where that might be headed at this point. Jordan Morris: Yeah definitely some conversations ongoing with Seattle and in Europe a little bit.
I didn’t bring it up on this thread, but I will say that a lot of people here underestimate Sargent’s current abilities.
Sargent isn’t coming back to MLS anytime soon. I don’t even get why there is a discussion. Morris would help a lot of teams, but he needs to choose wisely.
Morris seems like a poor man's Werner, but Werner currently seems like a poor man's Werner so...maybe Morris is on par with Werner?
If he's going/is attracting real interest there'd be names mentioned, by media from one one side of the Pond or the other.
yeah I dont think there are... I think he's in a nebulous spot. Too good and too expensive especially for the teams that might jump at taking him on. And not proven enough for the teams that he might want to join to splash the necessary cash....certainly good enough for Europe but perhaps "priced out" of a move that would satisfy him, the sounders, MLS and whatever team takes him on.
He'd be a new class of yank MLS player transferring to Europe. Who else has gone abroad just getting into the prime of age late 20's? It's typically been young guys teens or early 20's. So, yeah, I think if Morris gets an offer and takes it he will be somewhat of a pioneer for a prime yank MLS player going to Europe. It would be cool to see and I think he'd do us proud.
It's not that unusual, but it's been rarer recently. Morris is 26. Geoff Cameron, Tony Sanneh, and Clint Mathis transferred to the Premier League or the Bundesliga at the age of 27. (Ryan Nelsen too if you want to count him.) Joe-Max Moore (28) and Brian McBride (31) left even later than that, although they had both already tried their luck in European second divisions earlier in their career.
Yes and no. I'd agree it's an indicator he's likely not going & that's also my lean from how vaguely he answers questions about the prospects. But as far as interest goes, we wouldn't know what the best offers/interest is out there, if he doesn't want to go. He, the club, his agent, & a prospective big league team wouldn't want us to know the info so they're not criticized as harshly when it doesn't come to fruition. It made sense from PNE's perspective to want to be associated w/ someone of Jordan's ilk.
Sort of a nice moment for MLS honestly. 10 years ago the idea of a decent USMNT player being good enough to head to a midtable bundesliga side but have matching MLS wages as a sticking point would have been absurd.
Clubs in the EPL that I believe Jordan Morris could play for... (he strikes me as an EPL or nothing type) -West Brom (should start) -Burnley (should start) -Sheffield United (should start) -Brighton (should start) -Fulham (rotational starter) -Aston Villa (rotational starter) -Leeds United (bench) -Crystal Palace (bench) -Southampton (bench) -Newcastle (bench) -Wolves (would be the best place for a loan... they’re going through an injury crisis and he could play the hero. But there’s a lot of competition once everyone gets well) Wouldn’t play: -West Ham -Arsenal -Leicester City -Manchester United -Manchester City -Everton -Liverpool -Chelsea -Tottenham
Makes sense. One would think West Brom or Sheffield would be scouring MLS or the equivalent for cheap goalscorers for under 10million bucks.
honestly i think morris would kill it in the championship but thats still disappointing if its his best offer
I'd think someplace like Sheffield, not a horrible side but underperforming and desparate for goals, would be an option. The problem Morris would face at any Prem side though is they already have a lot of players like him in the squad. But at SU, look at a 3-5-2 and you'd think, is he ideal in either spot up top? He has worked best coming inside from wide, I'd think. Does he fit into a 2? Even a crap Prem side has people like Brewster, just brought over from Liverpool for £23.5 m, and while he's struggled and only showed flashes even with pool, he has a £40m buy-back option in the deal, meaning SU is invested in his success. So, maybe he drops back into the wide spots in the midfield. but is that outside wing a mid or a wingback, and does a wingback suit Morris' game? I was thinking just what you were when I read your list, but looking at the details of how they'd work, and the crazy amount of investment even bad Prem sides have made these days,I dunno.
Swansea, some of the same questions as i'd raised above, but a crap ton less expensive talent up top. He's kind of similar to Ayew, isn't he? Ayew is out of contract in the summer, but has been good if not killing it leading the attack.
I don't have any problem with this. You come from MLS as a mid -20's striker/attacker, you are going to face some serious skepticism. I'd rather he face that skepticism under the glare of a much weaker spotlight for the first year, and as you say, kill it. Once he clears that first hurdle, the rest of the leagues will be his oyster. That's the nature of the beast still for more career guys in MLS. Is is all the rage right now to sign those little potential gems from MLS academies or the first few years of senior contracts, but for guys like Morris, there is still a significant skepticism that he can cut it somewhere else.
Hah, I immediately thought you were off and talking about the Palace Ayew. I thought no way could Andre Ayew still be at this level, but low and behold he is still doing the business for the Swans.8 goals in 20/21. Brings me back to the pre-2014 WC when I was petrified for the USMNT of playing against him, his brother, Gyan, Warid, Muntari. Thought we were going to get swept off the pitch against their attackers.
It makes sense why a good attacker might prefer to stay in MLS rather than go to England... where if you’re not world class, you’re either going to rot on the bench OR never get the ball to score. In Europe, Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands seems to be the ideal spot to launch from - where you can find good teams that are just lambs for the slaughter for the heavyweights at the top. (not enough Americans have found success yet in Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal for me to say that is a good destination... hopefully those leagues will start scouting MLS closer soon).
Do people here rate our MLS guys too high? At least the more established players? Seems people grab a couple rumors and assume it's gospel. Cannon was going to the EPL, then to Portugal. Long was going to the EPL, then didn't. Now Morris should start for 1/4 of the EPL, but really Swansea. I don't really mind that idea, a top team in the Championship, that may get promoted. But at the same time, he's 26, in his absolute prime, and we're talking about him as a potential starter for the US, and not the 2017-era awful squad. This seems a bit underwhelming, and not sure why he'd leave MLS if this is the level the market sets for him. Hell, he might even take a pay cut going to the Championship.