PBP: Joe Biden vs Donald Trump :: The Election That Just Won’t End Thread :: [R]

Well, Biden went on to win the primary after being widely written off as irrelevant, and he then won the presidency - so maybe he wasn't as politically naive as he might have seemed at certain points in time.

It doesn't cost Biden anything to talk about wanting to find common ground and compromise - the question is what he does when he faces obstruction and sabotage. He will face those things, but the impact of them will depend a lot on how the Georgia runoffs turn out. And if the GOP maintains a two-seat majority, there'll be a opportunities for Gangs-of-Six or whatever to form behind compromise proposals - we'll probably hear a lot about the likes of Manchin, Murkowski, Romney, Sinema, and Collins.

While hearing Susan Collins posture about moderation and bipartisanship is going to be pretty off-putting, it may also be frustrating for Republicans who want to stick to pure confrontation.

 

I don't see what's wrong with that judgment. I don't like it but it doesn't undermine the integrity of the court.

 

I wonder if a President can unpardon someone, or even clarify the scope of the pardon, let's say, if he took office just a few days after the pardon was issued.

Imagine DJT and Wayne La Pierre sharing a cell in a NY penitentiary

 

That would actually be a very good result. A number of people were thinking the Conservative Justices would agree with one of the lower court rulings that without the "tax" penalty, the entire law was unconstitutional. I can't remember exactly which Justices it was and I don't really feel like looking it up, but a number of SCOTUS observers were pleasantly surprised when the questioning made it seem like they were willing to leave the rest of the ACA standing.

 

I'm not sure unpardoning is a thing. At least, not without showing that there was some sort of criminal activity in granting that person's pardon. If they were so inclined (and I'm not sure they are), you may see the Biden administration challenge the blanket pardons in court to determine if they are constitutional.

 

And that is exactly the right strategy.....Force Mc Connell and the Senate GOPers to show their hands and play hard ball. There is zero upside for Biden to come out all guns blazing against the Senate majority leader at this point in time. He is being presidential, his approval numbers are going up and eventually he will use this capital to his benefit.

 

Gang of Four or it's shit.



Oh sorry, I thought this was the music thread.

 

Is it entirely outside the realm of possibility that there might be a way to pass legislation that has stuff both sides want? McConnell has made deals before.

 

Yes. That's why post offices continue to be named.

 

Which deals? Particularly with regards to moving forward a Democratic agenda item. Most of Obama's big accomplishments were done when the Dems had a filibuster proof majority, or via executive order.

 

I'm sure this is all true, but what can they do about it? Their party has no tools to guide how the nomination goes. And in four years time Trump will be even more simple-minded, which will make him that much more popular.

 

They are all music threads.

 

It would be like saying "We aren't going to kill you, we're only going to remove one of your limbs. Like maybe the head." You can't have a law saying insurance companies have to provide tons of expensive services and have no way to pay for them.

 

Funding for ACA is not what is in front of SCOTUS. This case is in regards to the individual mandate that required people to be insured and whether the mandate is constitutional now that Congress has made the tax penalty $0. The lower courts have been split on whether the mandate is constitutional without the actual penalty, but at least one rule it was unconstitutional AND that the entire law was unconstitutional without the mandate.

 

Pretty much the same old stuff: absolutely no plans on conceding anytime soon and he's going to take this to the bitter end... Still note there is nothing in the way of concrete evidence: next week I suppose...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=376615900112093

That's why I just can't wait for 20th Jan 21 to roll around: still won't get rid of him completely in all likelihood but hopefully by then, he will be officially out of the WH. Guy just itches my soul...

 

Every non-Trump Republican I know thinks that Obama was a bad negotiator, and if he had been better he would have gotten deals done with Mitch. I don't see the faintest reason to believe that since the GOP long ago adopted the political approach of stonewall-and-then-blame-the-Dems, but by God do Republicans think that they are reasonable, if approached nicely.

 

McConnell wasn’t going to give Obama anything that could look like a Dem win. Same will go for Biden.

 

I had a post typed on here but I deleted it, but I'll say it nicely.

The GOP spent years screaming that the media was biased against them. I'd love it if progressives did the same (Being a former journalist, they will do anything to seem fair), maybe rile up the GOP with stuff like Reagan was a doddering old man. Or at least accuse them of being in the closet as they all tend to be. Or make huge voting restrictions in rural areas.

The last 4 years, along with years of comments and behavior I've heard and seen from conservative people, have made me convinced if anything that they do not deserve a chance to be worked with. I've cut out several people in my life because their views are not worth arguing with.

 

Has he admitted yet that he's only 43 or are we still going with the two Grover Clevelands theory?

 

No way i'm spending over 40 minutes listening to this nonsense. The few minutes I skimmed over did not sound any different than any of his crazy rally speeches.