I'm Back! - Bienvenue Zizou

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  1. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Rodrygo scores on CL and Zidane starts Asensio
    What is wrong with him.? what is it that he sees in Asensio which no one else does?
     
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  2. undertow

    undertow Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Nov 22, 2020
    He let go of Bale and James.
    He let go of Reguilon, Ceballos, Llorente.

    Why did Florentino let them go? BECAUSE ZIDANE DIDN'T WANT THEM.

    So....ok we know this to be true. We can conclude this based on zidane's selections and his comments. Ok. So...now we look at players like marcelo, isco, asensio, varane. A lot of these players would clearly sell for decent money so I don't think Florentino would be opposed to selling. Why are they still here? I genuinely want to know.

    My point is not whether these decisions are correct or incorrect but that Zidane is ultimately a big influence in transfers of the club. If i had more time i'd break it down for you even more buddy but it's just so clear. It's not 2002 man.
     
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  3. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    Newbs posts.
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    Hmmm...

    Give Potch prime CR7? Does her 3-peat?
     
  4. ImadEdd

    ImadEdd Member+

    Real Madrid
    Morocco
    Feb 17, 2019
    Youngstar the genius 160 iq guy will purposefully avoid responding to your post and instead attack people because they are talking about who gets to start.

    Playing a player instead of another should not get the team to drop in quality drastically if a system is in place. Heck, even with the gala 11 of these past two seasons we only show something when every player summons back their balls.

    We haven't seen an improvement since Zidane came back. Every week or so we think we are watching the worst Real Madrid game in history. It's like the guys were gathered before the game and don't know each other. He definitely sees the same things as us, why don't you try a new system? We have no quality wingers, why do you keep playing 4-3-3? You promised changes, everytime they only last for a game or two and we get back to sucking.

    My first memories with football were with Zidane in 98. I started watching Real Madrid at 10 yo when he joined in 2001. He is my all time idol and he brought me so much joy as a player and as a coach. But my love for this club is bigger than him and I'm sad to see this club playing like this. We have gone through many trophyless seasons but we at least trashed these no name teams and constantly scored a lot. I don't think he is the man of the situation anymore. There has been no real quality change since he came back.
     
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  5. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Until he figures that shit out he should not be playing Marcelo and Asensio.
    We beat Inter just a few days ago without these two players in the starting lineup. When Marcelo starts more often than not we either tie or lose.

    and dont give me this bs about resting players. kroos, Modric, Nacho and Varane all started against Inter .. and Hazard too.. he just thinks Marcelo and Asensio are key players to this club and deserve starts.. if he didn’t trust them he would not be playing them..
    He said pregame this game will be like a final and he goes and starts those two.. give me a break
     
  6. Oscar

    Oscar Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Holland
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I think there are some good reasons being given to question some of Zidane's choices. I agree with some of them completely, especially the ones talking about his transfer choices. Both going in and out.

    However talking about firing a coach who has won us a big title almost every season he was here, in November mind you, seems a bit unreasonable. Moreso considering I don't think any coach is going to improve the team much with what we have currently. It's not like Pochetino was fired from Tottenham because he was doing so great there. No coach is going to be a magic band-aid.

    What we need is new players. And while some would blame Zidane and/or Floren completely for our current player base. (again, not entirely without reason) Fact is, if there was no Covid, we would have bought new players last transfer period for that much needed influx of talent. No way no how would we have gone without buying any player. Now forgive me, but I'm not going to blame our management for not foreseeing a global pandemic and the effects it would have on our and other teams' finances.

    Let's see what he can do for the rest of the season, and talk about replacements afterwards if necessary. This is an abnormal season in many respects, and while some faults of Zidane didn't just start this season, I would give him and the club some more leeway than I normally would.
     
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  7. robertocarlos3

    robertocarlos3 Member+

    Jan 9, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Zidane biggest flow is that regardless of the players, he will never, ever, change the formation. All the bad, lazy and not achieving enough players mention, can (some of them), play better with different formation, so if you are a good coach, and your stuck with a president that keep fu(king you over with no signing or stupid signing (though you are the coach and you OKed it), then at least try to use some imagination and brain cells and change the formation...
     
  8. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    I don’t think without covid we had any interest at all to go for a right winger anyways. We are waiting on Mbappe which was a pipe dream for this season to begin with.

    The direction from the club recently has always been to invest in young players who would compliment Hazard who is the big star.. so covid or no covid we would be seeing Asensio here with Rodrygo and Vini as backups.
    That is the front line that Zidane relied on.. Hazard, Benz and Asensio. That’s it .. We shouldn’t blame covid

    the only signing that was impacted by Covid was probably VD Beek.. and he was probably only going to be taking some of Isco’s minutes so nothing extraordinary there.
     
  9. 3R0M5

    3R0M5 Member

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Jul 13, 2020
    Facts brother. Football has changed, systems are extremely important now. The lack of coaching in our squad is so obvious, hence why we look like a completely different team every time we play... also the lack of improvement since ZZ came back is just crazy. We still don’t have a clear way of playing and are just getting dominated week in week out.
     
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  10. Oscar

    Oscar Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Holland
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Covid has without question affected our transfer period. We were asking our players for salary cuts, giving away players for free to get rid of their costs in the budget, players revoking their bonus for the championship, and plans for more salary cuts upcoming. I can't even remember a time when our team was in such financial troubles that these measures are necessary. It actually makes me worry what exactly is possible this upcoming summer in regards to transfer fees.

    To say that Covid didn't matter and isn't a factor, is not really realistic. Much like only replacing our rightwing will somehow make our team play fluid like a chitty chitty bang bang. I can see you have a hate on for Asensio, but there are more positions which could (and need) a new player besides that one. Of course our team could improve with new players even if we weren't planning on buying a new rightwinger. And who's to say we wouldn't even have been looking at a right winger? Because Marca and AS weren't writing about it?
     
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  11. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Injuries and covid forces us to field these guys. We also can't play the same guy every match so that as well.

    When our President refused to sell Bale and James last summer... what could Zidane do about it?

    Nothing.

    He just wiped the egg on his face off and tried to integrate James when we had injury issues early on. When Bale came back he gave him a run here and there as well. When both players got injured again that's when he went away from them

    He did that with players this forum swears he hates.

    Think about it.
     
  12. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    Pellegrini, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez all had prime Ronaldo and didn’t win like Zidane does.

    Plenty of managers have had prime Messi, prime Brazilian Ronaldo, prime Ronaldinho, prime Zidane, prime Van Basten... they did not do what Zidane did.

    The guy has plenty of faults but let’s be real - right now Pochettino is a go kart and Zidane is a Ferrari.
     
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  13. PigBenis

    PigBenis Member+

    Sep 5, 2015
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What forced Zidane to start Asensio ahead of Rodrygo? I understand due to COVID we could not get rid of some players but Zidane has flaws and one of them is fielding players like Asensio who have shown absolutely nothing and have been anonymous since end of last season. Guy offers absolutely nothing and still starts. It's a valid criticism.
     
  14. undertow

    undertow Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Nov 22, 2020
    We lost to Alaves 'cause of Covid.
     
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  15. 3R0M5

    3R0M5 Member

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Jul 13, 2020
    Did you just say Zidane is a Ferrari? Because right now he’s looking like a Camry. Quick question, do you think ZZ would’ve got that Spurs team to the CL league final like Poch?
     
  16. white_raid

    white_raid Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    I've seen many a game with Rodrygo or Vinicius instead of Asensio and we were still overcooking the attack to the point of inedible.
     
  17. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Ok but what has Asensio done to deserve more minutes than the other two? That logic you cannot find anywhere but in Zidane’s head..
    who has at least scored some goals this season? Rodrygo or Asensio?
     
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  18. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    Zizou’s a Ferrari with a few wheels missing. He’s losing to Camrys right now. We can either replace him with the fastest Camry we can find, or we can get him a couple of good tyres and see what happens.

    I don’t know if Zizou would manage a small team to a CL final. I do know he most likely wouldn’t lose the final once he’s there.
     
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  19. undertow

    undertow Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Nov 22, 2020
    We already gave him Hazard and Jovic and Militao and Mendy and Rodrygo and Odegaard and Kubo (didn't want him) and Brahim Diaz (didn't want him). How many tyres does he want?

    Honestly the excuses for Zidane are insane. We have a better squad than every other team we have played this season.

    Zidane is underperforming massively as a manager.
     
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  20. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    Check our net spend under Zidane, compare it to our competitors and then tally up the trophies and see who is performing and who isn’t.
     
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  21. undertow

    undertow Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Nov 22, 2020
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  22. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    What are your suggestions to make this team better at the moment?
     
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  23. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    You guys keep bringing this up like I haven't been complaining about Zidane playing Asensio even back when he was still a forum favorite.

    Not everything Zidane does is right. He gets things wrong and ironically Asensio isn't his worst decision; Marcelo is.

    We need Zidane to take a chance on the Castilla kid. No mo Marceloooo.

    All of this doesn't change the fact we have the best manager in the world currently and that this team has been ran into the ground by our President. Only a fool would want Zidane axed, it's too bad so many of them and a couple barcafans parading as Madridista have the loudest voices on here.
     
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  24. undertow

    undertow Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Nov 22, 2020
    It's clear a change of management is needed. A new vision is needed. If all the employees in a business are underperforming then i would have to look at management. ZZ has done amazing things for us but we are in a very exceptional situation at the moment and he does not seem equipped with the skills and ideas to take us forward. This is a different situation now.

    More importantly what do you suggest we do?
     
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  25. 3R0M5

    3R0M5 Member

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Jul 13, 2020
    Absolute madness... wow
     

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