A lot of people here have speculated that Leitch would be a good candidate. I was told by an insider that he was a horrible coach during that interim period. I didn’t ask for details but I trust that person’s opinion.
No, I remember that it was during the 17-18 offseason, and I remember thinking I knew what he was referring to, because we all saw those bad road losses under Leitch. This article confirms that Leitch was intended to be "permanent". So in effect he did get fired from the coaching position. "Although the former defender had been touted as a “permanent” coach when he took the reigns in the summer, Fioranelli and his staff reevaluated the situation in the week after their 5-0 first-round playoff exit to the Vancouver Whitecaps and opted to search for new options." http://quakestalk.com/2017/11/24/jesse-fioranelli-why-the-quakes-hired-new-coach-mikael-stahre/ And here is the embarrassing 1 on 1 interview - Stahre and Jesse. Jesse seems like a nice guy, but doesn't cover himself in glory here, and at one point Stahre essentially had to say that his question was stupid. BTW, I was raising, if not red flags, yellow flags about Stahre from the get-go. I had watched a few of his games in Sweden. The general sense at that time was, "Hey he's a euro coach, he must be smart!" You'd probably see that in the old Stahre threads.
This was a post I wrote on the first page of the official Stahre thread, on the day he was announced. Turns out that I called it on the very first day. We were getting the Swedish Dominic Kinnear (I'd now add, only worse). And... https://www.reddit.com/r/SJEarthqua...mour_new_coach_swedish_mikael_stahre/dq8nhxo/ "He abandoned his more technical and possession based system for a much more pragmatic and direct style which turned it around. The following seasons at IFK were primarily focused on a fairly direct playing style using either 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 with quick wingers who were allowed to drift in towards the center or beat their defender." And so....we are getting the Swedish Dominic Kinnear. https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/the-official-mikael-stahre-thread.2079027/#post-36103615
Your very ignorant then to what fans are out there. Have you seen twitter fans calling other teams fans pedos, fa**ots and other horrible things challenging them to fights etc? Are we the only fan base to do that not at all, but there's a lot to shit ass people in the SJ crowd. There's a MLS fan group on fb called 'MLS Hooligans' private group with thousands of people who set up fights and get very racist with each other.
We don't win on the road now, and again who has Almeyda truly developed? What about this build up to sell? Haven't had any of that either.
dammit, you’re very ignorant! you are. And the internet is often a cesspool. I can only go by my experience on this, Quakes fans I’ve met along the way have invariably been wonderful. The internet often reflects humanity’s worst impulses, folks just lose all sense of decency and civility, I actually think it’s a massive problem, dividing the country and making us weak - but that’s another conversation. So I have little time or patience for racist haters and mostly ignore the dumb shit online. I kind of had to learn the hard way though, tbh. This forum is different, I’ve been here for 15 years and there are folks here now who were here when I arrived, so it’s not people trying to be assholes, stirring up bad feelings and tension. It’s been a friendly forum where I’ve learned a ton over the years. I wouldn’t take some stupid internet nonsense and extrapolate that to say Quakes fans suck.
Yeah I had posted this in the Ian Russel thread but meant to post it here... Here are some more American's who won an MLS Cup.... Bob Gansler born in Hungary but was an old school USMNT coach and pretty much a federation guy.... Steve Sampson but he was handed Sigi Schmid's team who lead them to first place.... Then there is Greg Vanney , Peter Vermes and Caleb Porter....
Yeah I've been here since 2003 I just sign into my account idk the email or user name anymore and came back some years later. This forum has less then 30 regular members not even a 1% of the of the fan base. The majority go to reddit, Twitter and Facebook for discussion like this now. Forums have become a dying breed in the online world. There's lots of good quakes fans just like other teams fans, but because the majority here don't cest and shit talk other people doesn't mean it's a representation of all of us. I am grouped into the same fan base of us here. I deal with sexist racist dumb shits all the time in the world of soccer because women are viewed as secondary and it's ignorant bull shit if anyone can say otherwise. And yes we all ********ing suck just as much as every other teams fans. Never satisfied offer pissed. But ours through my own views and observations bitch whine and complain more then anyone. Myself included and you too.
I do bitch, whine and complain, way too much really, but it’s mostly all about one man and occasionally his GM. The fact that folks put up with that here and occasionally join in just reinforces my point about salt of the earth Quakes fans. The racist sexist stuff is bullshit, hopefully you don’t experience that here. And yes I understand forums like this, message boards, seem to be dying out. Another one of my favorites, more about music, phased out not too long ago. That was a bummer. So far this one has been pretty consistent though, we’ve been blessed with great moderators!
I would guess at some point every team in the world has had their own fans talking shit about the team and its players. I also think that most players don't surf internet forums wondering what fans say about them. And Vako appears to speak little English, so he wouldn't get very far here.
i follow the Quakes on reddit, Twitter, Facebook (though trying to avoid), and Instagram. You won't recognize me because I have different names everywhere, including my real one on Facebook. Reddit, Twitter, Instagram are fine for quick shots. This is the only place I feel I've gotten to know other fans which leads to real discussions. Reddit has Almeyda signing on with a new team every day!
I belong to the Green Bay Packers forum, and I will tell you this: Our forum is about 100% more supportive of the team and management than Packers fans. Those folks have long memories and long teeth! We're a bunch of pussycats in comparison...
I took 2019 data and removed the players who left the team since then. I also reduced Wondo's salary to the maximum charge since he is no longer a DP. I did not adjust anyone else's salary but some players who got contract renewals could have gone up or down. I suspect Espinoza and Judson went up. I did not add Alanis because I don't know what he makes - feel free to speculate. Code: 1 SJ M-F Valeri "Vako" Qazaishvili 1,604,042.38 2 SJ F Andres Rios 729,250.00 3 SJ M-F Carlos Fierro 718,800.00 4 SJ D-M Florian Jungwirth 616,675.06 5 SJ F Chris Wondolowski 600,000.06 6 SJ D Guram Kashia 590,000.06 7 SJ M-F Cristian Espinoza 550,000.06 8 SJ F Danny Hoesen 549,666.69 9 SJ D Marcos Lopez 387,749.97 10 SJ D-M Judson 305,000.00 11 SJ M-F Shea Salinas 249,999.95 12 SJ D Nick Lima 218,437.55 13 SJ GK Daniel Vega 210,000.05 14 SJ M Jackson Yueill 190,000.08 15 SJ D Tommy Thompson 174,999.95 16 SJ GK JT Marcinkowski 147,000.00 17 SJ M Eric Calvillo 136,500.00 18 SJ M Siad Haji 104,000.00 19 SJ M Gilbert Fuentes 92,000.04 20 SJ D-M Luis Felipe 71,625.00 21 SJ F Cade Cowell 67,225.00 22 SJ D Jacob Akanyirige 64,225.04 23 SJ D-M Paul Marie 57,225.00 Below is the 2019 totals with my adjusted Quakes budget. Code: 1 TOR total: 24,267,066.06 2 LA total: 19,636,979.60 3 CHI total: 17,114,981.01 4 LAFC total: 13,769,951.30 5 SEA total: 13,678,414.27 6 MTL total: 13,152,273.72 7 ATL total: 12,957,118.79 8 ORL total: 12,573,226.33 9 POR total: 12,553,916.42 10 KC total: 12,070,675.73 11 RSL total: 11,117,788.66 12 NE total: 10,658,217.29 13 MNUFC total: 10,632,485.73 14 CLB total: 10,614,613.26 15 NYCFC total: 10,415,586.80 16 DC total: 10,195,277.27 17 PHI total: 9,854,738.29 18 CIN total: 9,564,914.01 19 DAL total: 8,807,319.12 20 HOU total: 8,744,849.27 21 NYRB total: 8,668,933.80 22 COL total: 8,599,994.37 23 SJ total: 8,434,421.94 24 VAN total: 8,152,129.64
Considering that Vako, Guram, Hoesen weren't available for big chunk of the last part of the season (which accounts for over 2.5 million of our already humble budget). And considering other teams are spending a lot more on transfer fees. And considering other teams are getting much more help from their academies. And considering some clubs are training in the luxury of their world class facilities... Considering all of that - I would say the Quakes did amazing things in 2020 making the playoffs and not getting blown out. Doing it without parking the bus, without time wasting tactics, without defending draws, without flopping. Playing from the back almost always. Overall establishing a soccer identity I can be proud of (once it stabilizes).
Thanks. I just realized I forgot to add the new 2020 homegrowns and draft pick. I would guess that adds around 200k. I don't think it changes our overall standing in the league. I'm pretty sure both Vancouver and Columbus who were at the bottom of spending with us added expensive new players in 2020 - Cavallini (5m transfer fee), Nagbe (1m fee), Zelarayan (8m fee).
https://quakesepicenter.com/2020/11/27/fantasy-gm-what-id-do-this-offseason/ I don't know how Etnire has inside info on what ownership is thinking. Etnire has been wrong in the past and he might be wrong about trusting his source on this one - I don't know. I can understand Fisher being unhappy about MA being unprofessional in speaking about the lack of investment in the club. But to complain that he's not appreciative of the "large" investment they have made to make him successful makes me feel sick because relative to the rest of the league (which is relevant and how things should be compared) I don't see any "large" investment. Also, if this is true, does Fisher really have any moral high ground to criticize MA for going to the press when he himself allowed his thoughts to be leaked to the public? If you don't want the dirty laundry to go public you have to tame your tongue.
How do you “allow your thoughts” to be leaked? Having a private conversation that gets repeated is FAR different than telling a reporter your unhappiness. Fisher went out and made Espinoza’s loan permanent. In the middle of the season last year he had Rios and Fierro signed. I’m sure Almeyda wanted Pulido and Pizarro, but I can picture Fisher being exasperated by Almeyda complaining that he doesn’t get the players he needs.
Following the ‘19 season, the Whitecraps owners promised to spend more money. So I’m pretty sure their spending increased on Cavallini and a couple of other players. They still didn’t do very well, but they are showing signs of getting their act together. Homegrowns are actual spending as far as Fisher is concerned, but they don’t count against our salary cap number. The draft picks do count. Also, I’m really glad to see MLS salaries increasing at the bottom of the pyramid. I think that encourages athletes to stick with soccer, rather than switch sports hoping for more money. Go Quakesfans!! - Mark
Almost correct totals, but with the players that are missing from this list, then adding Magnus who was on our books most of the year and it counts towards the yearly salary budget and will reflect that total when the MLSPA releases the final numbers. Jack Skahan 90,525 Magnus Eriksson 450,000 Casey Walls 81,375 Tanner Beason 134,625 Cade Cowell 81,375 Oswaldo Alanis 350,000 Emi Ochoa 81,375 Jacob Akanyirige 81,375 Total: 1,270,650 Add that to the 8,434,421.94 and the new total is 9,705,071.94 Which if that number is accurate, puts us ahead of 6 teams, based of 2019 numbers. But it was highly publicized this year Philadelphia has the lowest pay roll in MLS, so when the numbers come out we will see the accurate reads. We need a new owner, and you like to bitch about spending, you should put an investors group together, buy the team and then spend more money . Could we spend 10 million sure, but he's not just paying for our team, he's paying for the A's as well. If he was just the owner of the Earthquakes I'd assume he'd spend more. We are also only 1 Carlos Vela on our books away from being in the absolute middle of the pack.
I spent time today to look at numbers while watching this bull shit 49ers game against the asshole Rams. I was looking to see if we actually improved under Almeyda compared to our past seasons and we've improved over Starhe but we've finished in a worse overall place then under Kinnear. An interesting note, we didn't have much of a drop from 2012 into 2013. We had some pretty bad injuries the first part of that year, but when Watson started getting players back he had a really good record which he was on pace to simulate 2012 especially with our late season run in 2013. Then the team was blown up and they took away Morrow, Beitashour etc. Since then, its been all down hill. We've had 2 losing seasons under Almeyda, and we got into the playoffs this year because they added slots for teams, other wise we'd have no playoffs. We also didn't improve much from Kinnear into Leitch either. They finished with the exact same amount of points. 2008 San Jose Earthquakes - 14th - 33 Points - 8-13-9 (-06) (Frank Yallop) 2009 San Jose Earthquakes - 14th - 30 Points - 7-14-9 (-14) (Frank Yallop) 2010 San Jose Earthquakes - 8th - 46 Points - 13-10-7 (+1) (Frank Yallop) (Playoffs) 2011 San Jose Earthquakes - 14th - 38 Points - 8-12-14 (-5) (Frank Yallop) 2012 San Jose Earthquakes - 1st - 66 Points - 19-6-9 (+29) (Frank Yallop) (Supporters Shield) 2013 San Jose Earthquakes - 21 Points - 5-7-6 (-10) (Frank Yallop) 2013 San Jose Earthquakes - 29 Points - 9-5-2 (+5) (Mark Watson) 2013 San Jose Earthquakes - 10th - 51 Points - 14-11-9 (-7) (Total) 2014 San Jose Earthquakes - 18th - 30 Points - 6-16-12 (-15) (18th) (Mark Watson) 2015 San Jose Earthquakes - 13th - 47 Points - 13-13-8 (+2) (13th) (Dominic Kinnear) 2016 San Jose Earthquakes - 17th - 38 Points - 8-12-14 (-8) (17th) (Dominic Kinnear) 2017 San Jose Earthquakes - 6-6-5 23 Points (Dominic Kinnear) 2017 San Jose Earthquakes - 7-8-2 23 Points (Chris Leitch) 2017 San Jose Earthquakes - 12th - 46 Points - 13-14-7 (-21) (Total) (Playoffs) 2018 San Jose Earthquakes - 23rd - 21 Points - 4-21-9 (-22)(Mikael Starhe) 2019 San Jose Earthquakes - 15th - 44 Points - 13-16-5 (-3) (Matias Almeyda) 2020 San Jose Earthquakes - 16th - 30 Points - 8-9-6 (-16) (Matias Almeyda) (Playoffs)
Thanks for the additional numbers. I would guess we are not 6th from bottom in 2020. If we know what we got from selling Magnus we need to subtract it from his salary. Iirc the most unstable period we had was after selling Magnus.
The big difference between Leitch and Kinnear was basic math. The Quakes finished with the same point total as Dallas, but they advanced on the total wins tie breaker, despite the fact that SJ was minus 21 goal differential compared to Dallas at zero differential. Kinnear kept playing for ties (I think even a 0-0 tie at home). So the math says that winning MLS games are even more valuable than 3 tie games. Leitch pushed forward to get wins and that lead to some late game collapses that looked bad. At the end of the day he was proven right because the Quakes qualified over Dallas.