If they played in another country's youth system and were given a one-off cap you may be right but Reece James was playing for England under 20s when he was still eligible for the under 17s and under 19s.
We can have a reasonable debate about the original posters point about whether England was the right choice for all of those players, and whether they had earned a full national team call. The part about "predatory capping" and filing a complaint with FIFA makes no sense whatsoever. The players are eligible for England, mostly part of English youth national teams, and then accepted an English national team callup. Reece James was born in England and lived in England his whole life. he's played for their U18s, U19s, U20s, and U21s. His sister plays for English national teams. He's a starter at Chelsea, and now has 3 full caps. Perhaps will lock down the position for years to come. And we're going to go to FIFA to complain that England cap-tied him in a "predatory fashion?" It makes no sense. He's always been England. 100%. Did the US not call up Sergino Dest to a cap-tying event as soon as he'd possibly accept one? Of course they did. Its the same thing. Did we call up Pulisic to a cap-tying event as soon as humanly possible while Croatia was recruiting hard? You're damn right we did. I'm sure we'll do it with Reyna who remains eligible for Portugal thru his mother. Otasowie? Yup. We'll do that too. If Musah will accept a callup to the Gold Cup or Nations League we'll sure as hell wrap him up. This is the way the soccer world works
These are elite English players and they want to play for England. What is Southgate supposed to do? Refuse to call them because they have a Jamaican gran? That would be completely bonkers.
Rubbish! What's the point of capping somebody knowing you're only going to cap them once!! You think England managers spend their lives worrying about Jamaica? I've never heard such tosh!
Exactly. He had one good game in a friendly. And suddenly he's on the National Team. You're not helping your case.
Dest is a lock starter. James has been behind Walker, Alexander-Arnold and Trippier. I don't deny that a couple of these guys might end up as starters. I don't have a problem with them being capped in a friendly to get a feel on what their level is. I'm against England using its newly minted cap-tying Nations League opportunities to lock down players and then drop them after a few games, which is numerically likely to happen. I don't like when the USMNT does it (Tyler Boyd comes to mind) and I don't like it when England does it as a seeming matter of policy.
Walker and Trippier are getting on and probably have another couple of years playing International football until they are overtaken permanently by the likes of TAA, James, Lamptey etc so what we supposed to do, just then rely on TAA and the next kid coming through just because we shouldn’t cap-tie players like James and Lamptey because Jamaica and Ghana might get upset! Is a Country like England not allowed to slowly integrate English born and raised players who have come through our very system like James and Lamptey into our set up because it’s unfair on other Nations that might want dibs on our players? The same rule applies to any of our younger players, why in gods name would we not want to integrate them and make sure they are in our set up? If players don’t want to then they won’t, they know and understand the situations of playing International football! Also other players get old and retire so we need an natural conveyor belt of talent coming through as that’s how it normally works for any Country funnily enough but just so happens many of our players are Dual Nations. This is such a weird thread as I can’t believe we have to justify calling up and playing Reece James, lol!
I'm not sure I have a huge beef about either Greenwood or James, especially since James played in a friendly first. Philips seems like a wait and see. Maitland-Niles and Grealish seem like questionable ones. Tomori is probably one that happened before this. Bamford looks like an impending one. England can do what it wants. But if they do it in a way that gives a middle finger to other federations, then they shouldn't be surprised if and when someone starts giving it back.
It's not so much that they get called in. It's the fact that England calls them in and immediately puts them in permanently cap-tying games. When they must know not all of those players are realistically in their long-term plans. And probably doing it in no small part to avoid the embarrassment or whatever of having them defect.
Most of us think this is a silly thread, but I have to admit, the wild overreaction and brigading by England fans is hilarious. How did you even find the thread on US Men?
The press has been championing Grealish for years. He turned down a chance to play for Ireland four years ago. 124 EPL and EFL players are eligible for Jamaica according to the Evening Standard, so they're not going to run out of options anytime soon.
Your right, it is a silly thread! Was about to post something else to continue the argument but can’t be arsed any more, lol. We do look on other threads every now and then and then when you see something so absurd and stupid as reporting England to FIFA for capping our own players, stupid threads deserve a backlash and defending and this guy has history on one of our threads spouting his nonsense. Anyway, I will leave it there and good luck with the elections!
He has 108 appearances for Arsenal. Who should have been called up in his place? It's already been explained to you that Trippier was playing at LWB and Walker at CB. James was in the squad as cover for Alexander-Arnold. A seeming matter of policy? You've thus far been unable to produce a single solid example of it happening.
Picking English players for the England team is not giving the middle finger to anybody! Foreign nations trying to nick English born players..... Now THAT is giving the middle finger! How many of the England national team are actually NOT English! Unlike 'some' countries it's NONE of them I believe! So don't be so ridiculous.
there is actually one player not born in England, Raheem Sterling, he did however grow up here from a very young age
I think I get/somewhat agree with where the OP is going with the predatory capping. Yes, it's ultimately up to the player. However, these are often very young kids/adults making decisions that will affect their entire career due to the inflexibility of the "1 time switch' rule FIFA has. That puts smaller nations at a disadvantatge, and allows larger nations the opportunity via Nations League to take advantage of the rules for what could be deemed alterior or 'non-sportsmanlike' motives. That said, to me there's an easy FIFA fix to solve this that I believe is potentially better for everyone. Get rid of the 1 time switch, and replace that rule with something similar to the cap-tied rule that UEFA/England have for the cups. Allow a player to change nations every 4 year cycle. I'm sure dome of these dual-nationals would love the opportunity to represent each nation of their heritage...This also allows young players who maybe think they have a shot with a power (e.g. England) to switch if they later don't get any opportunities to the other smaller nation (e.g. Jamaica). Or go the reverse rout if they keep improving (and have a desire to make a switch).
Ridiculous idea. So a player can switch nations every 4 years? No offence but that's such an 'American idea'. Also England don't captie any players.
If they play less that 3 competitive games they can still switch after the age of 23 under a new rule. Its not always doing it to cap tie sometimes you pick them because they ae doing well then they stop developing and others overtake them
Maybe all this cap tying is outdated. If Ryan Giggs plays for Wales during World Cup qualifying and Wales don't make the World Cup, he should be able to switch to his father's country England for that specific tournament. This way Pulisic could have represented Croatia in the 2018 World Cup but then switched back to the USA. You want the best players playing at the highest level, right? The other thing would be a late career one off switch, which Puskas managed. So Raheem Sterling could play for Jamaica after retiring from playing for England.
Giggs father wasn't English . Also doing what u said would make it basically club football at international level