MD6: AS Roma vs Fiorentina (November 1st, 2020)

Discussion in 'AS Roma' started by Andreas, Oct 31, 2020.

  1. Andreas

    Andreas Member+

    May 1, 2011
    Netherlands
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    AS Roma
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    Greece
  2. La Magica

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    Aug 1, 2011
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  3. shiboboo

    shiboboo Member+

    Nov 13, 2010
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    We really deserve to be more than 1-0 up. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite us.
     
  4. Salmeen10

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    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
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    Bahrain
    Karsdorp can barely breath.
     
  5. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
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    AS Roma
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    Siiiiiiiii
     
  6. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
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    Karsdorp impressing again. Been one of the best player on the pitch for us.
     
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  7. Andreas

    Andreas Member+

    May 1, 2011
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    Pedroooooo
     
  8. Java65

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    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
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    AS Roma
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    United States
    Say what you want about Mirante but his positioning is almost always perfect.
     
  9. nguoiaoden

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    Feb 3, 2015
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    Super Cristante out!
     
  10. Salmeen10

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    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
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    AS Roma
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    WTF is this dude doing, could’ve ended our season.
     
  11. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
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    Perfectly good tackle....in Argentina.
     
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  12. Matrim

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    Feb 10, 2014
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    3 wins for Fonseca against Fiorentina. Tells you more about Fio than about Fonseca tbh.

    The two most obvious characteristics of this team in attack is the lack of players cabale of through-passes and the lack of players capable of making dangerous solo runs. Basically we're playing Chievo football with slightly better squad.
     
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  13. Salmeen10

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    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
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    Bahrain
    Great performance and a big result, grazie.

    Everyone had a good game except maybe Mkhi, but he made up for it with the assist.
     
  14. Big Bad Wolf

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    Dec 17, 2013
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    AS Roma
    Whilst I have my doubts about Fonseca and remain firmly on the fence with regards to him, I do think the team is playing reasonably well at the moment. We are after all still unbeaten on the pitch this season. It might not be saying much, but it is something. 0-0 draws at home to CSKA Sofia dont bother me much. We're notoriously great at stooping to a certain level in those kinds of fixtures in that competition anyway. Nothing new there, although it shouldnt be that way of course.
     
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  15. Salmeen10

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    Jan 10, 2014
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    10 wins and 4 draws in the last 14 league games, I say that is not too bad eh.

    Coaching is not the weakness of this team, the lack of depth is.
     
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  16. shiboboo

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    Nov 13, 2010
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    I think Fonseca has done very well to steer the ship through very rough waters. We've seen Roma fall apart many times in the past, and we've had poor games when it looked like things could unravel, but here we are solidly getting results.
     
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  17. Big Bad Wolf

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    Dec 17, 2013
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    Trying telling @La Magica that. Once his mind is made up, then that's it :D. Not sure he has fully recovered from the moving on of Diego yet though.
     
  18. Big Bad Wolf

    Big Bad Wolf Member+

    Dec 17, 2013
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    As above.
     
  19. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
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    Im done with him. If you remember my comments, I have always said there is nothing wrong with his starting system. Its good. The problem is you cant go through a season relying on that solely and not adjusting during games. Huge weakness and short term results wont hide that for me. I want Roma to be competitive and that will stop us when it counts.
     
  20. Salmeen10

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    Jan 10, 2014
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    Under no other coach did Roma come back from so many deficits during games, he adjusts the team relatively well even if you don’t agree with him. He just doesn’t trust the players on his bench and I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

    I don’t agree with every decision he makes but his work is undeniable. Sacking him will achieve absolutely nothing, bringing more quality players that he trusts will be a much better path.
     
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  21. Salmeen10

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    Jan 10, 2014
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    Bahrain



    Smalling to Mancini and Ibanez:

     
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  22. La Magica

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    Aug 1, 2011
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    he adjusts the team relatively well even if you don’t agree with him

    I dont remember him making many good reads of a game and making adjustments. The games were its going wrong he just goes with the flow. I remember you having the same issue as me in some game threads. Are you letting short term results shew your judgement on the point Im making? Looks like it.

    I look at the big picture here and see football is a numbers game. There will be 3-4 teams fighting for 4th place in a competitive year. Us being one of them. Roma will continue to play some nice football, score so great break away goals like the 2nd today and be in and aroudn the European places but there will be at least 5-10 games over a season that will require more from him during the game. Everything that I have seen from him suggests he doesn't see the finer details. It will be in those games that you need your manager to step up just as much as you need the big players to turn up.

    Granted there is the slim chance that the starting system we play is enough to pull us over the line but that is a slim one. I've watched Serie A long enough at this stage to know managers can have their homework done and tactics spot on making things very difficult.
     
  23. Java65

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    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
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    AS Roma
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    United States
    I do think there are many games where he's very late making needed adjustments. That said his options are very limited. IMO, this is the worst team in the last 12 years. We have absolutely no depth at all. They should have kept either Kluivert or Perotti when they realized SES was a long-shot.

    IMO, this team is really overachieving right now and are only 1 or 2 injuries from tanking
     
  24. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    Roma-Fiorentina 2-0, le pagelle: Pedro-Dzeko-Mkhitaryan come se fossero insieme da sempre

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  25. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
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    AS Roma
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    TLDR:

    Yes and no, I had and still have some issues with him, but most of them are resolved. I’m not gonna hold it against Fonseca that it took him a year to figure out the right formula as I believe any coach deserves the time to do so.

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    Most of my issues with him revolved around Pellegrini playing in an advanced position and refusing to take him out or move him back. Well, that issue is resolved now and our attack is as fluid as ever while Pellegrini is playing fantastic football from deep, so I can’t complain. 
    
    
    The other issue was Cengiz, he hated his guts and went out of his way not to play him, and I thought that hurt the team. Cengiz is no longer here and Fonseca trusts Perez a lot more, so I consider the issue resolved. 
    
    
    The third big issue was our inability to keep possession, we played at a frenetic pace and he admitted it was a problem. This also was fixed when we moved to a 3 CB system. Now we are comfortable with the ball, and when teams try to press us aggressively we murder them with long balls, just like we did yesterday.
    
    
    I was disappointed with his subs against Juve, but then I saw Perez against Udinese and found out that Kluivert had a foot out the door and realised he really had no better options. He also got the game against Sevilla wrong, but I’ve followed Roma long enough to be realistic about our displays in Europe. 
    
    
    The big picture is that this team knows how to defend and how to attack in most situations, and is flexible enough to go short or long and have 3 or 4 at the back depending on the situation, and for that I consider it a well coached team.
    
    
    And if you need an example go back to the Benevento game, we switched systems 3 or 4 times depending on the result and managed to win after conceding 2 unlucky goals. I’d like to remind you that under EDF with a much better team in his first year it was pretty much game over if we go down a goal, even against Spal at home, so I don’t take this for granted. 
    
    
    In the last 17 games, we fell behind in 8 games but managed to win 5 of them and draw against Milan and Inter, the Sevilla game was the only one we didn’t turn around. I don’t know what more one can expect really.
    
    
     
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