They Needed a Minivan but Got a Gio: Reyna at Nottingham Forest (Olf Borussia Dortmund)

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  1. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I sure hope so.... but Bellingham did come on the field after the other team was gassed from chasing the ball around all night. At any rate... IMO... Bellingham is the future... and so is Gio.... they should be starting the majority of the games this season.
     
  2. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Wouldn’t mind if Reyna gets some rest this weekend against a weaker team.
     
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  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
  4. justinpaul10

    justinpaul10 Member+

    Sep 2, 2013
    I’m with you on this one, I thought he had a good game against a packed in defense. I feel like Favre’s tactics always stutter when playing a team that plays 11 players within 35 years of goal. He he was clean in his touches drew a couple fouls and facilitated play. Had a couple opportunities was unlucky on an occasion or two and made some mistakes. I’d give him a 6 and I’d probably give Dahoud a 5.

    if you want a culprit, there is a reason Dahoud came off first, way too many attacks and smooth possession play died at his feet. He was even bad.

    Just a tough game with those tactics (Favres teams always try to pass it into goal, and there is just not enough room playing a week disciplined team like that) and without a dominant aerial threat to cross into.
     
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  5. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    Whatever rating you give Reyna, one of his most impressive qualities so far: I don't think he's had a debacle game yet. Hasn't dipped below 5/10 yet (at least for me) and obviously has had a few brilliant games.
     
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  6. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the well-known BVB beat writers panned Gio's performance with a 5 grade, echoing Favre and Zorc's postgame laments that both Reyna and Sancho were too eager to drift centrally and clog up BVB's attacking space against Zenit's bus. The game showed collective shortcomings, but Gio didn't have a good game either. They have to be mindful of using space effectively, especially when 4 guys in the lineup are effectively #10 types.
     
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  7. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    Anyone find an all-touches video for the game yet?
     
  8. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Gio was OK from what I saw, although my stream kept cutting out. I can see why some would be dissatisfied though. He's tasked with a lot and if you're one of the key attackers and you spend a lot of time on the ball in your opponents half but your team generates little in the way of chances, hard to say you had a good game. His job when the other team is bunkering is to find a way through, and yesterday he didn't. With Gio, it is always a matter of degrees. His less impressive games he still maintains possession and he still links up well with his teammates, that's just what he does. He's good enough that his mediocre is still solid even at this level. But, on his day, he breaks down the opponent and creates chances. He saw a lot of the ball and created little, not his best day. He's being given a lot of responsibility so he will get a lot of credit when things are going well and blame when they are not.
     
  9. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    As a Gio and USMNT fan (rather than a BVB fan), I can’t help but think of all this experience positively. He’s so young. Especially when he plays centrally has a bit of that boss-in-the-middle vibe about him that you got a lot of with Zidane or Viera. I can’t help but think his game complements our wingers and the DMs we have. Makes me feel optimistic, even when he has a middling club performance.
     
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  10. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    Just sack Favre already.

    mans dahoud playing at bvb is an embarrassment if you support bvb. He’s not good and shouldn’t be on that team.
     
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  11. honest trade

    honest trade Member

    Aug 15, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn’t think Reyna had a great game but not the worst either. He has to put that chance on frame.
    To me the biggest problem was they couldn’t attack through the middle of the pitch. Dahoud was terrible. Bellingham, Brandt and Delaney are all far better - Dahoud is like their 5th best CM, he shouldn’t be getting meaningful minutes unless there is an injury. I was not impressed with Reus either.
     
  12. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's ironic, is the consensus among Dortmund fans, is that Dahoud had a good game & they are satisfied w/ him as the 8.

    Reality is his passing array is basic, he doesn't break down the opponent off the dribble, make storming runs into the box, win the ball well, etc.; or just about anything you task your 8 with. However he does take speculative shots.

    They should sell the guy already. Start Bellingham & use Can there as an alternative or get another suitable backup like Gonzalo Castro was.

    Reus may be losing it, so the 10 can be more often where you use Gio, w/ Marco spelling him instead of the other way around. And Gio can provide cover at wing.

    I thought Gio looked much better at the 10, & would have benefited off Bellingham's entrance as everybody did.
     
  13. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
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    BVB fans, at least the ones on reddit, are some of the dumbest, most meat head fans around.
     
  14. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I think it is in the right area. BVB need Brandt to pick the ball up below the circle. His movement on the dribble scrambles the opponent's defense which creates the openings for Gio, Sancho, Haaland, Reuss above the circle. I only saw the game before Brandt came on but I see they only scored after he came on.
     
  15. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Makes sense. Dortmund is like the Detroit or Pittsburg of Germany. The smart ones don't stay there.
     
  16. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Dortmund always seems to have a player or two who gets playing time that far exceeds their ability.

    Meunier and Dahoud are this season's duo, Jacob Bruun Larsen, Marius Wolf, and Max Philipp a couple of years ago, late-stage Gonzalo Castro before that, etc.

    Actually, looking at the numbers, Dahoud is that guy every season. He has almost 4,000 minutes at Dortmund. In his last 2,700 minutes (so roughly 30 complete matches), he has 1 goal and 1 assist. That dates back to March 2018.
     
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  17. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    pittsburgh
     
  18. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    They just don’t have the quality across the squad to really compete with the best teams in Europe. I’m not one of those “ the EPL is the greatest” guys, but Dahoud would struggle to get time at clubs like Everton and Leicester City. That Dortmund almost always has someone like him in the starting 11 explains why they can’t come close to Bayern in the league.
     
  19. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    I can’t speak for Detroit these days, but when’s the last time you visited Pittsburgh? It’s one of the more underrated cities in America.
     
  20. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    Pittsburgh
     
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  21. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Compared to past Dortmund teams, they have fewer such mediocrities who make it into the team. (By the way, Gonzo Castro has reached a further evolutionary state at Matarazzo's Stuttgart...)

    I would argue Dahoud and Meunier don't really fall into this category - Meunier has been mostly bad before the past two games, but he was a big name as a Belgium stalwart and someone who very well might have played the CL final for PSG had they agreed on a summer extension this year. Dahoud is more of a high-upside talent who just hasn't reached his (perceived) potential since joining BVB - on his day he has the best passing range and creativity in central midfield, certainly compared to Delaney and Witsel. He's never had an extended run in the team in his three seasons, probably mostly down to his own inconsistency.
     
  22. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    Pittsburgh* If one is going to insult the intelligence of an entire city, one should probably spell that city correctly.
     
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  23. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
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    Maybe it was Pittsburg that spelled it wrong!
     
  24. KenC

    KenC Member+

    Jun 11, 2003
    So, that would make Schalke, West Virginia?
     
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  25. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    A nice that city that would be a great city if you got rid of all the Steeler fans
     
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