The taffys are at it again. Goodness they sicken me. Their double standards when looking at duel players compared to when we look at one of theirs for the first time in 30 years is vile. What they said:- 'I think it would be unlikely that there are ones we are unaware of who are also good enough to get in our current squad. Purely based on their names, with no other basis for speculation here's some players it's fun to speculate about; Alex Pritchard - he'd be unlikely to get in our squad, although I suppose he'd be good enough to be on the fringes for now Tom Davies - been mentioned before and I think there was no answer either way - worth a check though as he'd definitely be good enough for our midfield & actually would be quite an asset I think Ollie Watkins - born in Torquay relatively close to the Celtic nation of Cornwall. Surname Watkins...I know it's a reach but any chance of a grandparent perhaps? Brandon Williams - probably been mentioned before but did we ever hear anything about this? Again would be good enough for the squad if eligible Kyle Edwards - West Brom forward, the new Hal? All I could think of for now! Speculate away! Its how we found Ash isn't it? "Oh, he has a Welsh surname" Tom Davies is a Scouser with the surname Davies, there's got to be some Welsh in there somewhere surely? Can we just claim Merseyside as Welsh anyway? I'm sure they won't mind '
I honestly don’t know why you bother getting so wound up about this stuff but fwiw I don’t think any of those players qualify for Wales otherwise I’m damn sure we would have heard the Welsh FA making noises about approaching them.
@roverman Would you prefer that for next England squad we purely pick players who are dual nationals and cap tie them, or pick our better players?
Obviously pick better players but have a couple there too to show that they are in southgate's thinking
Exactly this. The Africans moreso than the West Indians are the ones we need to worry about if there is ever a pile-up of talent in one position. And the cynic in me would suggest prioritising 'capping' them over the West Indians if it ever came to a tete a tete. Though I don't think that is a route we should really go down. With all due respect to the the West Indies, I actually highly doubt any of the really talented ones that weren't being selected for England would ever actually represent the islands. I just can't see them taking the time out of their schedule to add that kind of football, when they could use the international break as a time to spend time with their family. The incentive wouldn't be big enough, unless they felt really close ties with their island that would make it worth it. It's only the US that has that pull from that region as we've seen with CCV for example where representing the USMNT also has an element of kudos to it, and better pay.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...B6i4H_sHCaqCBOSZJNUpMd_w3gIPE8kVMdHa38EHzYToo Good enough for bayern.
looking at it I don't think he will make a definitive decision on his international career for another 2 years. Hes got the potential to be as good as trent. Tying his colours to the ghana mast right now would be foolish. I still think he will be an England player before long
Interesting to see two ex-England youth players in the Chinese National squad named today, congrats to Ty Browning and Nico Yennaris ( who has been in 5 Squads fwiw )
Wow. I looked up the Ty Browning one and it's his grandfather who is Chinese. I wonder if his was a genuine connection or an professional opportunity and possibility to play in the World Cup. Most likely it is somwhere in the middle. Good luck to them. Though more controversially, being from East Asia and a Spurs fan it made me wonder how Cy Goddard, someone I liked was getting on. He is on loan in Cyprus from a Series B club. I checked his wiki and it had his quotes on why he wanted to represent Japan. Now I did question whether I should post them, due to the potential fallout, yes we all know who I'm looking at here.....but his quotes at the time were interesting and I checked and they've never been posted here. He said "I have never really wanted to play for England. Always my mindset was that I wanted to play for Japan. Since I was 10, it's always been an ambition of mine. If they keep progressing as quickly, then they will be better than England and a lot of nations in the future. I think a lot of the boys (in this country's youth system) are also looking elsewhere rather than England. A lot of people in the youth system are not really admiring the England team and the English way of playing football. For me, I have always pictured myself playing for Japan." I do wonder how much of that is, jilted lover or genuine but shows how close some people can feel to a parent's home. It's not like both of his parents are Japanese and he was born here, it's only one parent who is Japanese.
About 6 or 7 years ago. I remember reading that at the time. It was during the hodgson years when all the players kept pulling out the 21s with 'injuries'. Things have changed drastically since then. Most of our players are dual these days and only a handful of them go on to play for other countries. Our system is the envy of Europe now with the likes of st George's park playing a huge role in producing some of the most sought after players in the world now. In the case of Goddard, I get the feeling he always had a strong Japanese identity due to his dad being Japanese and maybe felt a bit alienated from the rest of the dual English boys due to being from a Japanese background. I could be wrong but the proof is in the pudding. Not many dual players have chosen their alternative countries since these comments were made all them years ago.
Additionally our best youngsters were struggling to come through in the PL and they also weren't going abroad, so the talent pool Hodgson had was smaller. So I can see where he was coming from with regards to us, practically (if that's the right word). But 'ignoring' his connection to Japan, let's say he came through at Spurs would he have genuinely turned down an England call up as we played bad football or Hodgson was in charge. I can't imagine any player would be that ideological with regards to how they want to be playing their football that they'd refuse a call up to a footballing nation as big as ours.
Barcelona after Aaron's, Bayern after Hudson odio, Sancho at dortmund, Bellingham at dortmund, madueke at PSV etc. All of them under 21. The biggest teams around Europe are all fighting to get hold of our best young talent.
I guess, only he could answer that question. I don't want to get into a big discussion on what each player feels but I guess being one of a very few Japanese English lads in the London youth system, maybe the idea of representing Japan and doing his family proud might have made a difference. How many Japanese players can say they played for one of the biggest clubs in England? Not many. I always get the feeling it was a huge source of pride for him to pull on the Japanese jersey. Obviously, like I say, I'm just guessing on this. Also, I'm not taking anything away from the fact he might also class himself as English.
- Dominic Calvert-Lewin was apparently Jamaica-eligible. Don't think there was ever any serious process from the Jamaican FA to look at him, not that it would have made a difference. - With him, there are 7 formerly Jamaica eligible players in the most recent England squad: 1. Calvert-Lewin 2. Ainsley Maitland-Niles 3. Kieran Trippier 4. Kyle Walker 5. Raheem Sterling 6. Jadon Sancho (he qualified for multiple islands) 7. Kalvin Phillips Or until we can offer World Cup berths consistently (won't happen until 2026 cycle at minimum). Beyond that, it's indeed hopeless.
Nice Interview with Bukayo Saka, says he’s been attending St George’s Park since he was 11 and since 14 for England age groups. A lot of people on this forum, seem to get very worked up about dual nationals. But a lot of these boys have been in the system for a long time and are very committed and familiar with the environment.
I think the general rule for most dual nationals in all countries is that they'll play for the country of their birth as a first choice. There will be some that opt for other nations as a first choice but they tend to be in the minority.
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