Covid-19: American Acceptionalism

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    This is my beef with the Spotify deal in the first place.

    Why should i pay my subscription to fund the salonfähig version of Alex Jones for bro-town?

    The guy regularly indulges in conspiracies, pedals in ignorance and bigotry and is a trumper to boot
     
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  2. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

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    Maybe because Mango is an indefensible raving sociopath? What can one possibly say in defense or even in general analysis at this point?
     
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  3. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

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    If it bothers you, then vote with your wallet? Go join another service.

    Numerous businesses have made decisions a consumer could question from an ethical perspective. Its been that way for decades.
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

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    Or maybe its time for regulation to stop platforms promoting Covid conspiracy theories at a time when 200K Americans have been killed by a dangerous virus?

    Just an idea
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    I guess we just found out who all listens to Brogan :ROFLMAO:
     
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  6. bigredfutbol

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    I'm just stunned at how completely the entire GOP has been to support it, even given the threats to national security.
     
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  7. Paul Berry

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    Were they discussing Malcolm Nance's book that suggests that he was "compromised" in 1977 and had been on Russia's "watch list" since the mid-1980s.
     
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  8. Kazuma

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    Two conclusions I've made about Trump's appeal:

    Trump's brand is that he's rich and powerful and he lives this crazy lifestyle. Anyone who works in finance and has handled high net worth individuals knows otherwise. I worked for a sports team and knew the owner somewhat. Guy was worth a few billion. He was one of the most low key people I've ever met and I once learned that he wasn't flashy. He had nice things, but he wasn't like Trump. He wasn't brash, he wasn't loud, he was quiet, polite, and easy going.

    The other conclusion I've drawn is that for some it's a chance to pass their agenda (And they think they can control him) or a chance to work in something prestigious because they wouldn't get the opportunity otherwise.
     
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  9. Yoshou

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    Hey now. Sometimes he has interesting guests. He frequently has scientists on and those shows can be pretty good. He certainly has a number of kooks on, so he's not something you set your calendar to.
     
  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Then maybe he shouldn't have spent a chunk of his show talking about it. Rogan has a fairly large platform and having him spread misinformation is dangerous. This is particularly true when the misinformation resulted in armed citizens setting up roadblocks and harassing people and had police officers telling these armed citizens how they can kill people and get away with it.
     
  11. BocaFan

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    Well, the article itself says people of all ages should continue to follow those precautions. See the second paragraph:
    "Restaurants, bars, fitness centers and stores will now be able to operate at full capacity, but people will be expected to maintain social distance in these places and keep their masks on except while eating or drinking".

    Mind you its also totally contradictory since you can't operate a restaurant at full capacity and still maintain social distancing.

    And then further down in the article it says Marion country (i.e. where the only big city in Indiana is located) will maintain stricter regulations (25% restaurant & bar occupancy, etc.).
     
  12. CFnwside

    CFnwside Member+

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    That’s because given the choice between fascism and a democracy where the left sometimes get a voice too, they will choose fascism 100 out of 100 times. The conspicuous absence of the handful of right-wingers on this forum this year is noteworthy.
     
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  13. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    I read two parts of that quote to be independent of each other. Primarily because if you look further down the list it actually mentions that social distancing rules apply to water parks, amusement parks, state fairs, etc. The lack of mentioning social distancing in the bullet points for the other situations tells me that social distancing rules do not apply there.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    Its kind of incredible the way the Spotify execs seem to be torn over re-inventing the wheel here.

    Big shows and columns have always had an editorial component. It is the easiest thing in the world to check stuff out before hand and choose not to run it because you have standards.

    Brogan is used to shooting his mouth off on YouTube with zero accountability, same as all these other big click clowns like Shapiro. Somehow Spotify paid 100m for this, but didn't include sane editorial oversight over a guy with a history of bigotry, racism and conspiracy theories that could easily damage the Spotify brand, open them to liability, and cause public harm.

    But there is so little regulation, one easily believes it.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    I'd recommend Kara Swisher's interview with the Mooch in that regard.

    I'd not normally bother with him but it was re-upped in her best of series now that Recode is defunct. The interview was recorded after he got sacked, but before he went anti-trump and it is actually fascinating, because I did not know his backstory.

    First thing is, the guy is very intelligent and makes a lot of sense. He made a lot of money in Asset Management but was born working class. Claims to support unions, the working class, and socially liberal.

    Yet the guy worked for Jeb and Scott Walker?!? He courted trump for a long time, and then came in to the White House, basically to sack Bannon and Rancid. He sold his fund to do this. But screwed up immediately because he was a fund CEO, not a media guy, and screwed up basic rules of engagement.

    Why did he do all this? How was he so convinced Trump was great and draining the swamp, yet now he is anti-trump?

    Like you say, i think he was just gassed by power

    If you want to hear what an interview with an SS General in 1941 would sound like - this is your interview.
     
  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Uh.. What? I'm not sure which talk shows you've been listening to, but the definitely do not have an editorial component. particularly the ones that are primarily based on the hosts personality. They will certainly have a staff, but, for the most part, whatever the host wants to talk about is what the show will be about.
     
  17. bostonsoccermdl

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    /Raises had unapologetically.

    The guy is multi-talented. He was a high level martial artists before he got involved in the UFC thing, and he is probably the best announcer they have by along shot. He routinely predicts what is going to happen 5-10 seconds before it does which is an art. (Which I get doesn't mean much at all unless you are a fan of that type of thing.)

    I honestly haven't heard many podcasts the ones ones I have heard were with UFC fighters and I partially watched the one with Elon Musk.

    From what I saw on his 2 Netflix comedy shows (hilarious) he went after the left and right, but more on how screwed up our political system is.

    If he has dove to far into the right-end of the spectrum, it's sad to hear, but I am not going to write the guy off simply for being a Trump supporter or having some conspiracy theory guests on.
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    Fair enought

    Simply being a trump supporter means a supporter of white nationalism and multiple accused rapist

    Do you not think that is problematic for spotify?
     
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  19. Kazuma

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    I'll have to listen to it.

    On the wealth and image front, there's a book out there called The Millionaire Next Door that covers how most wealthy types live. They aren't living like Trump, but more just boring middle class existences. Case in point, another super wealthy person I know has lived in the same house he has owned for the last 15 years. As Rick Wilson also said over the years, a billionaire he knows once said that, "Trump is a clown living on credit. I'm an actual billionaire."

    As for the chance at prestige, no one serious will want to work for Trump. Regardless of the promise of power because they know what an utter disaster it'll be.
     
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  20. Dr. Wankler

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    #2520 Dr. Wankler, Sep 24, 2020
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    I haven't listened recently, but I catch most of his episodes with comics, esp. Bill Burr, Tom Papa or Alonzo Bodden. And the interviews with Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and Cornel West were pretty good.* And when he has fitness people on, it's also pretty good. I thought the one with Pavel Tsatsouline was great.

    I generally avoid his kooks**. I will say, however, that I think he can do more damage to his listeners when he has diet and nutrition people on: a lot of them are purveyors of orthorexia, which is a pretty common eating disorder-ish behavior among young men.

    *by the way, what became of that 3rd party run that a lot of people were worried that Gabbard was planning? Has she retracted her Biden endorsement yet?

    **Graham Hancock, Dennis McKenna, and Paul Stamets excepted.
     
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  21. bostonsoccermdl

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    I don't work for, own stock, use, or care what spotify does. If I did use it and like it, I would focus on the areas and content which I enjoyed, and avoid the rest. The same way I am not going to boycott an nationwide coffee chain or store because 1-2 employees acted like asses to a customer(s) and made the news.

    And as much as my view on Republicans has continued to decline, I am not going to say they shouldn't have a platform at all. That is going down the road of "should we let them vote next time," which is absurd.
     
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  22. Dr. Wankler

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    So you're saying you're not on Twitter...?
     
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  23. bostonsoccermdl

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    Don't get me started on twitter.. I created an account once to engage in a soccer conversation then ended up deleting it 4 hours later. 90% nonsense, and the other 10% isn't worth sifting out (unless I happen to stumble upon a soccer link).;)
     
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  24. Naughtius Maximus

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    This is the problem I'm having with your point, (and I doubt I'm alone).

    If you were saying...

    a) Do you not think that is problematic for... THE BBC, or,
    b) Do you not think that is problematic for... THE GUARDIAN, or,
    c) Do you not think that is problematic for... THE NEW STATESMAN *

    Then I'd tend to agree with you, but, SPOTIFY? I mean, seriously?


    * BTW, I'm just using those as those are the ones with which I'm most familiar.
     
  25. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

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    Rogan is not a Trump supporter. Hes miles away from one.

    He simply tells it like it is. Both candidates are ********ing terrible to be honest. Really, neither should be an option.

    If anything, he supports both Gabbard and Yang far ahead of either current candidate.
     
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