Being confirmed as a key figure in over 100,000 people's deaths will tend to do that to you. There is no bottom.
For the Nothing Matters crowd: - 23% say opinion changed of Trump’s COVID response because of Woodward tape, including 15% of Trump voters- 23% of indys and 6% of Trump voters say troop comments increased support for Biden- Biden goes from +6 to +10https://t.co/fsphLqlP83— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) September 11, 2020 OK. That's good. But I keep thinking the effective half-life of all this stuff is about 24 hours.
Public figures have to be careful about saying these things in a memorable way, because their words end up on bumper stickers and t-shirts, but it comes down to this: Trump isn't the disease, he's the rash. Once we get past the short term imperative of getting Trump out of power, we have to move on de-fanging this huge and energized but hateful chunk of the American electorate. One part of making sure they never put anyone else so dangerous into a position of so much power has to be giving them a little bit, preferably a less destructive part, of what they want. In a democracy, that has to be the way it works. I'm sure liberals of a more woke bent than I won't like that, but it's the only way to blunt their anger and so their influence.
I think this is story to follow, WI Supreme Court halts mailing of absentee ballots over Green Party dispute
And just to get people up to date. WI's SC has a conservative majority and the decision was 4-3 along political lines. The issue at hand is that WI Election Commission rejected the candidacy application from the Green Party because the address listed on many of the signature papers for the VP candidate did not match the address provided for her on the candidacy paperwork. The commission asked them for an explanation for the discrepancy and they declined to give one. As a result, they rejected all of the signatures on the documents that had the wrong address and this resulted in them having less than the required 2,000 signatures to get on the ballot. They then waited 2 weeks to appeal the decision, but by then the various county clerks had begun printing out the absentee ballots and, in some cases, mailing them out to voters. https://slate.com/news-and-politics...preme-court-absentee-ballots-green-party.html Any bets on the lawsuit being funded by Republicans?
I don't think they need to go away. I do think they need to focus on elections they can actually win locally. I say that as a former Green member who helped canvas locally for a friend who ran as a Green and was a big Nader backer in the 2000 election.
I don't agree. That should be step 2 of their agenda. Step 1 should be getting ranked-choice voting established everywhere. If that isn't in place, they have no chance to win anything worthwhile.
I would love to hear him say “indivisible”. He looks like the first grader who never quite got all the words.
I think you're profoundly misunderstanding the role of the Green Party USA in 2020. They exist ONLY to kneecap the ability of progressives and Democrats to win elections. That's it.
Which was the same goal in 2000. You all realize without Nader Gore would have won, right? Had Gore won, 9/11 might not have happened. And all the idiocy that ensued from that would not have happened. That idiocy includes Trump. And we wouldn't be in this fcuking mess today. Yes, I draw all this back 20 years. Florida 2000 was the original sin that led to this downfall.
Screw the Green Party. My dumbass threw them a vote in CO knowing HRC was going to win this state anyways..... Not this time..:they’re just useful idiots for bots and trolls...same with the libertarians
Perhaps, but at least Nader was running a legitimate campaign. He had no hope of winning, for sure, but he had a credible platform and was campaigning. The Greens nowadays know their role as a Democratic spoilers and are more than willing to take help from Republicans to get on ballots. Heck, in some cases, the Green candidate is a Republican and doesn’t even try to campaign.
Joe Lieberman was Gore's VP. He cost the Dems a seat in Conn. Tanked the public option and was out campaigning for Susan Collins this past weekend. And no Bush, no Obama, so I am good with Bush winning.
9/11 might not have happened had the intelligence been dealt with differently than it was under the Bush administration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_intelligence_before_the_attacks Frankly, the idea that 9/11 might not have happened under a Gore administration is not controversial. It's bizarre that you're acting like it is. And even if it did still happen, Iraq wouldn't have flowed from it under a Gore administration.
He’s talking about the intelligence briefing that was part of the transition documentation that said al Qaeda was dangerous and planning an attack on the US that the Bush administration discounted because al qaeda was just a bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan. The theory is that since Gore was part of Clinton’s administration, he would have taken the threat seriously. Personally, I seriously doubt Gore would have stopped 9/11 since the intelligence was pretty nebulous and the attack happened only 8 months after the inauguration... On the other hand, one thing we can almost guarantee is that Gore wouldn’t have invaded Iraq.
I won't be out-disdained in my disdain for Lieberman. But we'd all be better off if he'd been VP from 2000-2004 rather than Cheney.
I would say that their main role is to grift money from true believers, but there is a lot of overlap between your perspective and mine.
Joe Lieberman "douche" cost Al Gore my vote (oh, and Illinois was in the bag for Gore). I cannot stand Joe Lieberman "douche."
Bloomberg is showing the money in Florida. $100M can go a long way in the Sunshine state. WaPo: Mike Bloomberg to spend at least $100 million in Florida to benefit Joe Biden https://t.co/LqUjaTEup4— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) September 13, 2020