Racism - Always and Forever

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  1. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought it was something you had said before?

    And you just sort of strike me as someone who wouldn't like Aristotle. Because you're from a railroad town. ;)
     
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  2. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    He was a beggar for the bottle.
     
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  3. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Chicago Fire
    No, it is not.
     
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  4. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    When taken at the point we use it, false. When used with less importance and combined with other measurements, it is fine.

    The data on education seems to suggest that a mutli-ethnic school, regardless of the quality of education, does a better job at reducing racism/xenophobia/bigotry/etc.

    No state really gets that much (relative to the amount education costs) in the US.



    And why are we talking about 2016 again?
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    My high school in the 80s was a great example of this. In my first year out of 240 boys, there was one maori, one samoan, and one 3rd generation "chinese". Soft racism was common, but no one even realised it was racist. Calling the chinese boy "wop-sing" was just a "joke". It changed a lot by the 90s when there was as many as 200 asian kids out of 1200 in the whole school - though that took generations to shake out.

    Something I noticed from that is my generation (X) and especially the millenials tend to be much more multi-kulti than my parents generation who are quite racist against asians IMO. But my hometown was essentially white when they grew up.
     
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  6. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
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    Ah-ha!

     
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  7. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    As russ has accurately surmised, I was drunk posting.
     
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  8. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    DC United
    Avoid the hemlock.
     
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  9. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Drunk posting is best posting!
     
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  10. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    I will try and use this for any take-backs. :p
     
  11. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Not Ari. He skipped that trip to the stoa...
     
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  12. That's right I guess, but if we go for 5% poc of the votes for the idiot, we still are talking about 3 million poc voting for him.
     
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  13. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    The clueless demographic is pretty large, and pretty clueless.

    It is structurally important that everybody's opinion be treated as just as valid as everybody else's-- and that encourages a substantial number of people to think their opinion should actually be accepted as valid despite almost no effort to formulate opinions of any validity at all.

    Hilary Clinton eats babies under a pizza parlor, and Donald Trump drains swamps...
     
  14. Is there truth in this?

    "“It’s morally bankrupt,” Garthwaite said. “The NCAA wants it to be ‘amateur’ for the athletes, but none of the rules of amateurism to apply to all the other people in the system.”"

    and on how money made off football and basketball players gets funneled elsewhere:

    "The students playing those sports tend to be Whiter and hail from wealthier neighborhoods than those who play football and basketball. Black students constitute nearly 60 percent of the rosters of football and basketball teams, and just 11 percent of the rosters of all other sports. Similar racial dynamics are apparent among coaches."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/07/ncaa-student-athletes-pay-equity/
     
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  15. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    Yeah, that's pretty much how it works.
     
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  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    The word "funnel" is doing alot of work in that quote.
     
  17. So the NCAA is a kind of forced labour organisation.
     
  18. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At the top levels yes.
    Minor College sports are essentially a signal to corporations that someone coming out of college is capable of handling multiple tasks.
     
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  19. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Football/basketball at the top level is how a small number of players go pro. All schools sell the dream but only a few have it come true.
     
  20. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It may not be fair, but it's not forced. I am against College athletes being paid. Then again, I am against the whole concept of College sports. They really shouldn't exist.
     
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  21. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the most part, yes.

    But there are differences with other types of labor. Many of the student athletes attend college/university on some kind of scholarship, meaning that all their enrollment expenses are covered (housing, books, classes, and such). Thus, they are "compensated" for their time. But they play in what ever sport they do as students (technically). When they sign their athletic scholarship they are signing expectation that if they are asked to participate in a press conference, that is required, just like it would be for a professional. Additionally, they don't have any ability to control the use of their images or names (as on jerseys/shirts). They also have limited work restrictions on how much they can earn for not-sport related work (IOW, they can't sign autographs for pay, but they can deliver pizzas, but only off season and not earning too much).
     
  22. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, when looking at basketball, it most certainly is. The NCAA got the NBA to put rules in place about the age to enter the draft to prevent high school kids from entering the draft. But they also got the NBA to put a run in that a player had to be out of HS for one year as well, although it looks like these rules are going to be rescinded.
     
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  23. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    I went out for a run yesterday and when I came back our Black Lives Matter flag (and flagpole!) had been nicked.
     
  24. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Education in America (except for BIA / BIE) schools is typically funded by a combination of state / local funding.

    Typically, states fund staff costs for teachers / administration / support staff bia general revenue taxation, and facilities are funded by revenue to school districts via property taxes. Federal funding is mostly spent on enforcement of civil rights to school districts that either discriminate or underfund programs.

    BIA / BIE schools are funded be a combination of tribal revenue (when available) and funds appropriated from federal tax revenue
     
  25. When I was young man a headhunter I knew said to me "why donot you go to the States to study a one or two years. You easily can get a scholarship as you're good at soccer." He himself had done it and said I was far better soccer player than he was. I didnot trust it. Why on earth would they pay (a part of) my study for playing soccer I thought.
     

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