So.... School?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Val1, Apr 30, 2020.

  1. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    Neighbor’s son just started his first year at Dayton, they are only testing kids if they feel sick. Contrast where his daughter is, U of Illinois, where every student is tested twice a week, regardless of how they feel.
     
  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    Some info on U of I's testing (might be paywalled)

    https://fortune.com/2020/08/29/covi...aliva-test-coronavirus-students-twice-weekly/

    and here is their dashboard

    https://splunk-public.machinedata.illinois.edu:8000/en-US/app/uofi_shield_public_APP/home

    Don't know if it will work, but fingers crossed. The tests are linked to your student ID card on the app they developed, you cannot get in buildings without a green on the app. They are using the saliva test.

    On a more personal note, the high school my wife teaches at is fully remote, this is week 3 of eLearning. I think they are going to move to phase 2 which is some groups in person at the school (special education being one) after Labor Day.
     
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  4. jmartin1966

    jmartin1966 Member+

    Jun 13, 2004
    Chicago
    I spent two days last week with my nephew attending 3rd grade remotely.

    This was in one of the best regarded school districts in Chicago's suburbs. It was chaos. I can only imagine what it's like elsewhere. It was start of the year, so presumably it will improve.
     
  5. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How was it chaos?
     
  6. jmartin1966

    jmartin1966 Member+

    Jun 13, 2004
    Chicago
    mostly difficulties with using the software for teachers and students/parents

    also failure to communicate/distribute needed supplies and workbooks

    for me my nephew was very hyperactive, so tough to keep him focused
     
  7. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Overall, remote learning has been better than expected. Other than occasional WiFi drops from the Chromebook, the transition has been better than expected. My son is in special education, starting high school, and has no friends in the class, but he had already kicked us out of his room, resets WiFi when needed, and opens Zoom for his classes. They have been using a combination of videos and instruction which had worked well. PE has consisted mainly of stretching and exercise videos, but he works up a sweat and is engaged.

    For me, it has been harder and easier than expected. I'm able to get my work done, but consistently jumping around. By the end of the day, I'm mentally exhausted, but it's starting to settle down.

    Major props to the teachers and assistants who are doing an amazing job. We fortunate in that they are well organized, got us the class supplies, and have access to a Chromebook. Of course, we are in one of the better school districts in the county and state.
     
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  8. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am sad for the kids who think it is ok to leave a zoom class whenever they feel like it.

    They simply do not know me well enough yet.
     
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  9. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I would not make an example of anyone this year. Still, your call.
     
  10. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting. Was there not a lot of technology use prior to this?

    Well, yeah. Kids with behavioral issues are going to really struggle.

    Totally concur.
     
  11. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Relax.

    I was making fun of myself.
     
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  12. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Always am... I mean, I kinda don't get that sort of reply. It wouldn't have affected me one way or the other.

    Fair enough. It's the sort of thing I'd just throw out there to anyone right about now. A bunch of stuff is going to be written off in a bunch of ways, and the quality of 2020 education is one of them. One of the effects of a global plague...
     
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  13. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    LOL, I aint mad if they do that, as long as the work gets done. I am dead serious about I will get my work or your grade will reflect that.

    We are almost spot on 50/50 and the chaos is no more. i am excited that we might really establish the current culture in the building and later if we add the virtual to the in person the culture will already be ingrained and easier to keep up. It has been somewhat chaotic on the tech end and making the online instruction transition but it is getting better. The excuse making is being met with it is okay for now, but we have to learn how to do this and there will come a day where a due date is a due date.

    I think the biggest surprise so far for me is how poorly they do at reading and following instructions.

    It pisses me off a little that it is almost like money is no object. Education would not be in near the mess we were in had we had those types of resources prior to Covid. We are short on Chromebooks but I don't think that is an us thing I think that is a Chromebook production thing expected to get the rest in two weeks and we have most everybody sorted til then.
     
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  14. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    At least for my part I am going to put up a challenge to that in my math classes. What we are seeing may be an educational evolution/revolution. The tools they will learn to use this way are going to be fairly important in the workplace they will be competing in. Might as well learn how to do it right and keep it, since after this time it will be easier, and it will provide clear documentation. after the initial platform was done it will be easy to modify or differentiate as needed.I might be able to customize instruction by end of this year first of next year.
     
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  15. jmartin1966

    jmartin1966 Member+

    Jun 13, 2004
    Chicago
    yeah, they did remote learning for the last couple of months last spring

    the chaos was probably just my perception having been thrown in at the beginning of the school day with no preparation or guidance
     
  16. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If 2 months is it, then I would not be surprised at some messy stuff happening. I know at one of the wealthier districts around here, they have been using technology substantially for 4 or 5 years. Google classrooms, canva, previously blackboard, chromebooks, etc. A significant number of students know how to cloud print and share documents prior to entering high school. Quite a few even know how to convert between Google Docs and Office. And this does not even include all the other miscellaneous stuff they have to do. Granted, these are high schoolers, but they are all within district and either starting 18/19 or in 19/20 the district began giving chromebooks to 5th graders. So the groundwork had already been laid for the entire district to go remote. This would be unlike poorer districts, such as Milwaukee PS, which don't have the foundations, for many obvious reasons.

    Those are also the two extremes. But the bottom line is that many of the kinks which would show up on day 1, the wealthier school district had already worked through and knew how to handle. And apparently some of the biggest issues were procedural, not technical.
     
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  17. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am teaching this year at a school that is literally the same distance from my house as the school that I taught at last year (which is the school my own kids went to -- and never will again go to). We are talking one mile, but it is a different district in a different town. The difference is shocking. Like insane. Like holy ********. The kids are so much better able to use technology, even though both schools are 1 to 1 iPads. And even though I'm teaching a grade lower than last year.

    And that's just the difference in tech skills. Academically they are ahead, as well.

    Spot the differences:

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  18. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    I think opening universities in may have been a bad idea

     
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  19. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    You might not get seriosly ill but you could spread it to someone who could . . . Like the people cleaning your dorm, the people working in your cafeteria, your professors, or . . . Stop me when I get to someone you might actually care about, okay . . . Bartenders, older relatives . . .
     
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  20. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Income more than race will be the issue.
     
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  21. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yay UW Madison

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/us/uw-madison-covid-19-quarantine-trnd/index.html

    The university said in a news release Friday that 38 of the 420 students in them had tested positive for coronavirus by Thursday.

    And good thinking Iowa

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/us/university-of-iowa-covid-cases/index.html

    Eva Sileo, a senior at the University of Iowa, was surprised to learn that her school would not be testing students as they returned to campus at the start of the semester.

    ...

    Since the university started tracking cases on August 18, 1,395 students and 19 employees have tested positive for Covid-19, including 253 new student cases on September 2. The university has made clear on its Covid-19 dashboard that its tally only includes self-reported cases.

    And, well, this part is also probably obvious:

    Organizers of the sickout said that as a result of rising cases, residence advisers (RAs) across campus quit in large numbers.

    They said one dorm, which has over 300 residents, only has three remaining RAs. Beck said that allegation is not accurate.

    However, she said there was turnover at Daum Residence Hall, which now has four RAs. It normally has seven RAs, as well as a graduate hall director, someone at the front desk and an office administrator. Additional student security works during the overnight hours to monitor the exterior entrances to the building.

    In a statement given to CNN, the leaders of the protest said that "despite being promised they'd never have to interact with COVID-19 positive students, RAs have been asked to care for them, including helping them move into quarantine dorms, serving them meals, escorting them places and sharing elevators with them, and supervising them to make sure they don't break quarantine."
    One student, who spoke to CNN on the condition of anonymity, said he quit his job as an RA.

    "What I gathered from my experience is there was not an actual plan," the former RA told CNN. "I had to consistently interact with people with COVID cases."

    I am sure Iowa will not be the only school like this. @Ismitje how is your school handling/support the RAs?
     
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  22. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At Idaho, all positive cases in the dormitories (there are currently three) are moved into a separate facility and cared for there. Similar to Iowa in concept, but separate people were hired to care for the positive cases, as you don't want your RAs to become super spreaders.
     
  23. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You might want to communicate that idea to UIowa
     
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  24. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Earlier this month I went to two restaurants near U of Iowa.

    In 1999-2000, my English teacher said that kids are supposed to think that the opposite sex has cooties. Thinking that way about everyone else would be useful for kids now.
     
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  25. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My daughter’s small, private school has gone from one case to 30 confirmed with another 24, including her, awaiting test results.

    First, they are now entirely online. Second, all university housing is allowing no visitors and half are under quarantine. Lastly, they just announced that on Wednesday, with the assistance of the National Guard and the county board of health, they will be testing every student and employee. The number is around 2k.

    I don’t know what else they could have done.
     
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