Carroll Non-Goal and Sportsmanship

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by cappuccino_kid, Jan 5, 2005.

  1. cappuccino_kid

    Oct 23, 2001
    Charlotte NC
    (Moderator: if this is a redundant thread please delete)

    I know it's a game and one tries to get away with whatever the referree doesn't see / doesn't call, but at what point would you put your hand up and say it was a bad call? I mean the ball was 2 feet in and Carroll knew it.

    In this case the stakes are incredibly high and I wouldn't even want to imagine what it would be like to have Fergie in your face.

    But are there any examples of somone in sports standing up and displaying some uncommon sportsmanship? I forget the circumstances with DiCanio a few years back.

    Under what circumstances would you speak up?
     
  2. Captain Splarg

    Apr 25, 1999
    Pacific Grove, CA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arsenal offered Sheffield United a replay after scoring on them when they were supposed to be throwing the ball back to SU.

    Yeovil kicked the ball to Plymouth's goalkeeper to give Plymouth back the ball after they kicked it out so a player could get treatment. The ball back wasn't easily dealt with and went in the goal. On the restart, the Yeovil players stood still while they let Plymouth run up the pitch and score.

    The ref in an Arsenal - Liverpool match awarded a penalty to Robbie Fowler. Fowler immediatly got up and told the ref that Seaman never touched him. The penalty was awarded anyway. Fowler took it very very weakly (on purpose) at Seaman and it was "saved"

    With Di Canio... It was the dying minutes against Everton in a 1-1 match. Paul Gerrard (Everton keeper) came out to clear the ball, and injured himself doing it. One of the West Ham players got the ball on the right side of the penalty box and swung in a cross... while Gerrard was laying injured outside the box. Instead of trying to head the ball into an empty net, he caught the ball (he was standing near the penalty spot) so Gerrard could get treatment.
     
  3. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I had heard about the others you mentioned, but I was watching this one live when it happened. It was amazing (and luckily, West Ham turned out not needing the two points they sacrificed). The best thing of all, though, was the Everton supporters singing "Paulo DiCanio" to the tune of that Verdi Opera whose name I can't remember (or probably spell).

    But I expect nothing less from Man U than what happened.
     
  4. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    In my opinion Di Canio wouldn't have scored anyway, but it was still a nice gesture.

    As for Carroll it was pretty poor sportsmanship, something that we tend to pride ourselves on in England, and as a Spurs fan it was a real blow.
     
  5. andylovesoccer

    Sep 2, 2000
    Asheville, NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you are being paid that much money, you stick with where your paycheck is coming from. Carroll is being paid to keep the ball out of the net, not officiate the match. I don't really see it as unsporting to continue playing until the whistle. And that's coming from a pissed off Spurs fan....
     
  6. imasyko

    imasyko Member+

    May 16, 2002
    Spring City, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can only imagine the behind closed doors a$$ chewing from the "red nosed one" (not Rudolph) Carroll would have received had he admitted the goal. ;^)
     
  7. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What goal? My avatar proves he saved it ;)
     
  8. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    according to that funny goal line ¬_¬
     
  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I don't think that was non-sporting behavior on Carroll's part. He made an all-time great blunder, and in a flash pushed it out. It took a second. Now if the game had stopped for the refs to discuss it, perhaps good sportsmanship would have been to admit it to them. Blame Carroll for being a poor keeper and the refs for being nit-wits, but sportsmanship isn't relevant here.
     
  10. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    In the U.S.? Never.

    I saw 3 (yes 3) similar goofs by ARs in U12 soccer this past autumn. Nobody even considered the notion that the keeper might do anything but benefit from the AR's inattentativeness.

    Perhaps world soccer culture is different but it wouldn't happen here in a U8 game, never mind one with adults and real stakes at hand.
     
  11. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    If the referee doesn't call it - it didn't happen.

    The above statement only refers to game action, and not any violent acts.
     
  12. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  13. FIFARay007

    FIFARay007 Member

    Feb 25, 2004
    CT
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a Man United fan, i can't say I'm too upset with the call, but as a soccer fan, it's absolutely horrible. There are 2 sides tho. Carroll was in the middle of a blunder and regardless of whether or not he knew it was in, he tried to "save" it. Now I'm a keeper as well, and I know that I've seen many a time where a goal is scored and the keeper still reacts the same way, I know I have. If ever it's close, you HAVE to make a dive for it and throw it back out. It isn't up to him to call it a goal tho, that's the ref's duty, and unfortunately the ref was too far away.

    It's an unfortunate incident, but if any good can come from this, it'll hopefully be Timmy back in that net.
     
  14. cappuccino_kid

    Oct 23, 2001
    Charlotte NC
    I'd have to agree that there was no time for him to react, unlike some of the other sportsmanship examples stated above. Full of adrenalin and shame, in a split second no time for him to ponder about the ethics of it all.

    However, I don't agree with the arguments that it's all about the paycheck. Would hate to carry that logic over to the business world (Hey wait a sec, soccer is a business :) )
     
  15. arthur d

    arthur d Member

    Oct 17, 2004
    Cambridge England
    I have come to realise that the sportsmanship here in England is pretty poor (like you say - guess you refer to the Urs Meier bashing and what not?), but why are you proud of that?
     
  16. Milos

    Milos Member+

    Sep 6, 2003
    Iacon
    Club:
    Coventry City FC
    :) Nice pic


    I don't think we can accuse Carroll of bad sportmanship. As already stated he just reacted and tried to get the ball out (even though it was about a yard over the line). What was he supposed to do? run over to the ref to say it should of been awarded? Wouldn't have made a diference anyway.
     
  17. surfcam

    surfcam Member

    Sep 8, 2004
    Corpus Christi, TX
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The call should have been for a goal, but Carroll was just reacting to his blunder. Throwing the ball out was probably more instinct than a conscious decision. As stated earlier, even if he realized it was a goal, SRN would have tore him a new one for just letting it in.
     
  18. Craig the Aussie

    Craig the Aussie New Member

    May 21, 2002
    Sydney, Australia
    Different sport & culture, but in the last cricket world cup final, Australia's Adam Gilchrist hit the ball and was caught out - however the umpire didn't see it come off the bat and gave him not out.

    Gilchrist decided to do "the right thing" and gave himself out and walked off. A number of Australian players have since done similar things. Funnily those who criticise this, and say that players should go by the umpires decision have been English.

    Golf is another sport where sportsmanship still exists - players still call penalties on themselves even though it can cost them big $$.
     
  19. Mobile

    Mobile New Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Melbourne


    An Australian batsman walking........ yeah, right, happens all the time :rolleyes:
     
  20. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001

    Aussies cricketers never cheat .Apart from when warne got busted for doing drugs .lmao
    or when steve waugh claimed a catch he clearly dropped in the west indies.An incident that almost sparked a riot from the crowd.
    They're all pure as the driven snow.
     
  21. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    I blame that damn yellow ball.
     
  22. Craig the Aussie

    Craig the Aussie New Member

    May 21, 2002
    Sydney, Australia
    Gilchrist always walks - but then when you score as many as he does you can afford to. Justin Langer or Steve Waugh wouldn't walk if all 3 stumps were shattered.
     
  23. Andy TAUS

    Andy TAUS Member

    Jan 31, 2004
    Sydney, AUS
    :eek: With your parentage, you should know !

    Happy New Year, Bruce !!! :D
     
  24. AvidSinger

    AvidSinger New Member

    Sep 6, 2002
    Massachusetts
    Absolutely brilliant! :)
     
  25. SccrDon

    SccrDon Member+

    Dec 4, 2001
    Colorado Springs
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely agree. I teach my players to play, not to ref, and to go by what the ref calls. If the ref had asked Carroll if it went in, he should (of course) tell the truth, but it's not up to him to make the call. Just like I don't want Carroll to go scream at the ref when a goal is allowed that he thinks he saved, I don't want him to tell the ref to allow a goal because he thinks it went in.
     

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