(Moderator: if this is a redundant thread please delete) I know it's a game and one tries to get away with whatever the referree doesn't see / doesn't call, but at what point would you put your hand up and say it was a bad call? I mean the ball was 2 feet in and Carroll knew it. In this case the stakes are incredibly high and I wouldn't even want to imagine what it would be like to have Fergie in your face. But are there any examples of somone in sports standing up and displaying some uncommon sportsmanship? I forget the circumstances with DiCanio a few years back. Under what circumstances would you speak up?
Arsenal offered Sheffield United a replay after scoring on them when they were supposed to be throwing the ball back to SU. Yeovil kicked the ball to Plymouth's goalkeeper to give Plymouth back the ball after they kicked it out so a player could get treatment. The ball back wasn't easily dealt with and went in the goal. On the restart, the Yeovil players stood still while they let Plymouth run up the pitch and score. The ref in an Arsenal - Liverpool match awarded a penalty to Robbie Fowler. Fowler immediatly got up and told the ref that Seaman never touched him. The penalty was awarded anyway. Fowler took it very very weakly (on purpose) at Seaman and it was "saved" With Di Canio... It was the dying minutes against Everton in a 1-1 match. Paul Gerrard (Everton keeper) came out to clear the ball, and injured himself doing it. One of the West Ham players got the ball on the right side of the penalty box and swung in a cross... while Gerrard was laying injured outside the box. Instead of trying to head the ball into an empty net, he caught the ball (he was standing near the penalty spot) so Gerrard could get treatment.
I had heard about the others you mentioned, but I was watching this one live when it happened. It was amazing (and luckily, West Ham turned out not needing the two points they sacrificed). The best thing of all, though, was the Everton supporters singing "Paulo DiCanio" to the tune of that Verdi Opera whose name I can't remember (or probably spell). But I expect nothing less from Man U than what happened.
In my opinion Di Canio wouldn't have scored anyway, but it was still a nice gesture. As for Carroll it was pretty poor sportsmanship, something that we tend to pride ourselves on in England, and as a Spurs fan it was a real blow.
If you are being paid that much money, you stick with where your paycheck is coming from. Carroll is being paid to keep the ball out of the net, not officiate the match. I don't really see it as unsporting to continue playing until the whistle. And that's coming from a pissed off Spurs fan....
I can only imagine the behind closed doors a$$ chewing from the "red nosed one" (not Rudolph) Carroll would have received had he admitted the goal. ;^)
I don't think that was non-sporting behavior on Carroll's part. He made an all-time great blunder, and in a flash pushed it out. It took a second. Now if the game had stopped for the refs to discuss it, perhaps good sportsmanship would have been to admit it to them. Blame Carroll for being a poor keeper and the refs for being nit-wits, but sportsmanship isn't relevant here.
In the U.S.? Never. I saw 3 (yes 3) similar goofs by ARs in U12 soccer this past autumn. Nobody even considered the notion that the keeper might do anything but benefit from the AR's inattentativeness. Perhaps world soccer culture is different but it wouldn't happen here in a U8 game, never mind one with adults and real stakes at hand.
If the referee doesn't call it - it didn't happen. The above statement only refers to game action, and not any violent acts.
As a Man United fan, i can't say I'm too upset with the call, but as a soccer fan, it's absolutely horrible. There are 2 sides tho. Carroll was in the middle of a blunder and regardless of whether or not he knew it was in, he tried to "save" it. Now I'm a keeper as well, and I know that I've seen many a time where a goal is scored and the keeper still reacts the same way, I know I have. If ever it's close, you HAVE to make a dive for it and throw it back out. It isn't up to him to call it a goal tho, that's the ref's duty, and unfortunately the ref was too far away. It's an unfortunate incident, but if any good can come from this, it'll hopefully be Timmy back in that net.
I'd have to agree that there was no time for him to react, unlike some of the other sportsmanship examples stated above. Full of adrenalin and shame, in a split second no time for him to ponder about the ethics of it all. However, I don't agree with the arguments that it's all about the paycheck. Would hate to carry that logic over to the business world (Hey wait a sec, soccer is a business )
I have come to realise that the sportsmanship here in England is pretty poor (like you say - guess you refer to the Urs Meier bashing and what not?), but why are you proud of that?
Nice pic I don't think we can accuse Carroll of bad sportmanship. As already stated he just reacted and tried to get the ball out (even though it was about a yard over the line). What was he supposed to do? run over to the ref to say it should of been awarded? Wouldn't have made a diference anyway.
The call should have been for a goal, but Carroll was just reacting to his blunder. Throwing the ball out was probably more instinct than a conscious decision. As stated earlier, even if he realized it was a goal, SRN would have tore him a new one for just letting it in.
Different sport & culture, but in the last cricket world cup final, Australia's Adam Gilchrist hit the ball and was caught out - however the umpire didn't see it come off the bat and gave him not out. Gilchrist decided to do "the right thing" and gave himself out and walked off. A number of Australian players have since done similar things. Funnily those who criticise this, and say that players should go by the umpires decision have been English. Golf is another sport where sportsmanship still exists - players still call penalties on themselves even though it can cost them big $$.
Aussies cricketers never cheat .Apart from when warne got busted for doing drugs .lmao or when steve waugh claimed a catch he clearly dropped in the west indies.An incident that almost sparked a riot from the crowd. They're all pure as the driven snow.
Gilchrist always walks - but then when you score as many as he does you can afford to. Justin Langer or Steve Waugh wouldn't walk if all 3 stumps were shattered.
Absolutely agree. I teach my players to play, not to ref, and to go by what the ref calls. If the ref had asked Carroll if it went in, he should (of course) tell the truth, but it's not up to him to make the call. Just like I don't want Carroll to go scream at the ref when a goal is allowed that he thinks he saved, I don't want him to tell the ref to allow a goal because he thinks it went in.