Colombian National Team General Thread

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  1. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    they are just trolling me as they know I totally hate that guy.
     
  2. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I also know you hate Fabian Vargas, double whammy
     
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  3. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Glad to see some of our boys getting props


     
  4. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The america guys our most talented players there.........hope that benedetti become the big deal and roger stop to beign so roger.
     
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  5. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
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  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    #4481 HomietheClown, Aug 1, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2020
    So speculating based on that list, a Euro Concentration of players could consist of:

    David Ospina
    Bernardo Espinosa
    Santiago Arias
    Yerry Mina
    Cristian Zapata
    Dávinson Sánchez
    Cristian Borja
    Daniel Muñoz
    Jeison Murillo
    Jhon Lucumí
    Johan Mojica
    Éder Álvarez Balanta
    Jefferson Lerma
    James Rodríguez
    Wilmar Barrios
    Steven Álzate
    Juan Cuadrado
    Mateus Uribe
    Jhon Córdoba
    Falcao García
    Luis Díaz
    Carlos Bacca
    Luis Muriel
    Steven Mendoza
    Alfredo Morelos
    Duván Zapata


    We still need a backup keeper so Garcia would probably be the guy unless Montero gets transferred to Turkey.

    Then you have guys in Arabia like Cuellar and now Berrio who could be a part of the squad if they get clearance to enter the continent.

    Sinisterra if healthy would be interesting but I thought he would be out a bit longer than September. Hope his recovery is going smooth.
     
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  7. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Just checked. The 45 are the same 45 who've been called during the past 12 months. So, no new faces.

    If the European concentration goes down, I expect we'll see others just to fill out the squad. Carlos Cuesta makes sense. And whoever might transfer over. Even though he's on this list, I get the feeling Cristian Zapata's days are done.
     
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  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
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    If La Roca is not on the list then I at least want to see Zapata just to see crzd's reaction,;)
     
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  9. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    zapata isn’t the war against god that Sanchez is.

    just makes no sense if your starters are both under 25 why Bring a 33 year old who about to retire. Espinosa? How has he done this season. also you have Lucumi and Cuesta who are 22..

    one thing I don’t like is you are on the NT because you play in Europe, Brazil or Argentina. You need to scout your own league and players.

    did Abel retire?
     
  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    Probably for leadership qualities and experience and being the glue you need during crazy times like this.
    I think Bernardo may get a chance and Lucumi will be there for sure barring injury or something weird.

    I like Cuesta a lot but not sure he will be given a chance. As has been pointed out it seems like the people on this zoom call were all called up previously.

    I am personally hoping a bunch of new guys do get a chance in September (at least in a microciclo) but that remains to be seen
     
  11. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    But the thing is all our young players have had so much experience. Davison played the Europa league final and the Copa lib final. Is that not enough leadership?

    Ospina is 32 leads the Napoli back line.

    I don’t like the idea of bringing someone for “leadership”. If they don’t play then they aren’t going to be a leader on the field.

    again Not hating on Zapata. If he goes to Boca like was rumored then he will prob be back in consideration. It’s just we have much better and younger options with way more up side giving them minutes.
     
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  12. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Sanchez and Mina have played and succeeded in qualifiers, Copa Americas, and World Cups. Murillo is only missing a WC.

    I agree. Zapata's leadership is no longer needed.
     
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  13. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yeah dont know why is there zapata....but the true is that jeison and berarndo arent guarantees...muriilo was lacking of minutes in sampdoria one of the worst teams of serie a

    And lucumi and cuesta re too young....
     
  14. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Age is relative. Mina started his first qualifier a few weeks after he turned 22 and was the MOTM. Sanchez started his first at 20 and looked shaky for a good year. Both finished the WC as leaders at 23 and 22 years old, respectively.

    The truth is, had Jeison not lost form and Zapata were a younger man, they may have never started any matches in the WC at all because they were "too young."

    Lucumi is 22 and Cuesta is 21. Neither have looked out of place since they got to Europe. Both have played well in Champions League. Sanchez and Mina are our guys, but, if either of them get injured, we should start to bleed the youth. Lucumi, especially, is ready. Cuesta, like Aguilar back in the day, has been leading Colombian sides for years.

    Murillo has been great at Celta. If they can keep him, I'm confident he'll maintain his form.

    Bernardo is never going to be a main feature for Colombia...
     
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  15. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #4490 pepinointer, Aug 1, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2020
    Cuesta isnt starter in Genk....he is sub of the captain....isnt because are only young...honestly belguum league neither tell me something.....alvarez balanta is idol nowadays in brugge....and we know his limitations and how he find the bench in switzerland

    Mina was beasting in brasil and sanchez in europa league with ajax and then in spurs.....honestly cuesta and lucumi....havent showed close the same....beside to play in europe being young.....and cuesta not as starter
    .....for me they arent guarantee.....as we can though of mina beign champion of sudamericana and the best defender of brasil ......and of davinson champion of libertadores and then finalist in eurioa league.......


    I dont see lot of guarantee beside sanchez and mina....

    And that wonderful "first 6 months of murillo in his new team" ive heard a lot of.......zapata performance with genoa wasnt so different too ...

    We dont have plenty options to trust.....yeah i dont want zapata either there too .....but we dont have plenty options much better.....i cant blame too much if he is there
     
  16. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    You're twisting A LOT of data here.

    Cuesta started 20 matches in the league, only 1 less than Lucumi, while the captain started 24. Lucumi started all 6 Champions League matches, both the captain and Cuesta started 4. They rotated each, which is a testament to how well Cuesta has been. A 20 year old came in and started in the most important matches often above the team's captain.

    Balanta is NOT an idol in Brugge. He only started 13 matches, and was never a full starter in Switzerland either. And he wasn't competing for a spot with the club's captain either. Irrelevant point.

    Davinson started his first matches for Colombia in November of 2016. Meaning, he had only played the group stage of the Europa League. How is that more important than Lucumi and Cuesta playing Champions against LIVERPOOL and Napoli? It isn't.

    Mina was playing in Brazil for 3 months before he started against Uruguay. Now here's my point: do you think those 3 months made that much of a difference? He was capable of starting on the NT only because he moved to Brazil? Nonsense.

    You can't decide if an option is trustworthy or not until they've been given a chance. If the big boys get injured, let Lucumi and Cuesta play. Just like Davinson and Mina got their chances when the guys above them couldn't play.

    Perhaps they'll suck when they get a shot, much like Davinson was trash against Argentina. You never know until you try them. They won't get better until they play.

    And, btw, Lucumi played in Copa America and looked good.
     
  17. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #4492 pepinointer, Aug 1, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2020
    Mina and Sanchez before debuted in NT showed a lot of more than lucumi and cuesta have showed......

    1. Davinson before played europa league won a LIBERTADORES as starter. And Genk perfomance in UCL was horrible one point, i cant compare that horrible perfomances with davinson good adventuere in ajax...they recieved 10 goals from red bull, 4 from napoli and 6 from liverpoool....not a good signal .........Not is the same as if you want to compare realities. Davin son actually debuted before because his role in nacional in copa america 2016.

    2. Mina was alaready champions of copa Sudamericana with Santa fe....winning a libertadores and sudamericana as key players are much more than play in bleigum league

    3. Neither Lucumi and Cuesta showed something in Colombia as Mina and Sanchez did....

    4. Lucumi match in copa america was agiant paraguay in a match were we already qualidfied..



    I cant pretend that these players as more i want are guarantees..........Mina and Sanchez showed up in continental and super dificult competitions as key men.....not the same for lucumi and cuesta.........

    i agree they deserved chances...but honestly i cant trust blind as an oonl plan b.....and just discarding our other players because they are so "old"...........when we dont have a sea of options
     
  18. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    So you agree that age has nothing to do with it then. I'm glad we agree.
     
  19. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #4494 pepinointer, Aug 1, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2020
    More than the age....i concerned more about the quiantity of matches (experience)....that because the age of both isnt so big, despuite the good number of season........i never have find being young or old as a virtue or defect.......experience actually is important..but you can have a lot of matches being young...not always...

    for me we dont have a solid plan b after mina and sanchez.......we have some promises gambles (lucumi and cuesta), a player that is finishing his career and his form have dropped (zapata), a king of irrgularity (jeison) and average defender of demtion teams in spain (bernardo).
     
  20. HomietheClown

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    Locker room respect and experience cannot be quantified by numbers. It is something you earn over time. And it is up to Queiroz to see if during these crazy times of pandemic and instability if he needs someone like Cristian to be on the squad to provide said stability and be the glue to keep the team together on steady ground.


    But as I said, I would like to see new players get a chance so I hope Cuesta gets a chance to at least practice in a training camp before the rumored friendlies.
     
  21. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Gustavo Cuellar needs to leave Saudia Arabia
     
  22. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    sucks Genoa could have really used him this season
     
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  23. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    Reports now are that the Federation has decided to still have a training camp in Europe but no friendlies will be played in September.
    (It was a work permit issue.)

    Bummer.
     
  24. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    rather have a training camp with 40 players and two teams playing each other + practices different formations and styles than play Costa Rica/Cameroon to an empty stadium.
     
  25. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
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    Well, things seem to be getting worse.
    From what I am hearing there will not even be a training camp in Europe.

    And even worse news the CONMEBOL is thinking about scrapping the qualifying setup and going back to the two groups of 5 teams like it was prior to 1998.

    World Cup Qualifying will probably be pushed back again to 2021.
     
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