Best 11 Right Now

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by LuckofLichaj, Oct 19, 2018.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Sheffield already have an established starter at LWB. If AR gets minutes and performs well that will be good enough for the US.
     
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  2. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    i hate the whole idea that we have to use "the yuell role" as a position into which we have to try justify squeezing far better players than yuell.

    what does that say about that how f'd up the usmnt is right now?
     
  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Against certain teams, a pure DM will be needed. Whether it's a 3rd man or just Adams, well, it will depends on Tyler's progress.
     
  4. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    It all comes down to this, and will, until Egg shows himself to be capable (or willing) to change his tactics.

    You're going to likely be sitting Morris or Reyna in favor of Jackson Yeuill/Bradley/Trapp. If everyone could just stop defending or criticizing Egg and just let that sink in. Yeuill or Bradley will be starting, which will necessitate putting Reyna or Morris on the bench.
     
  5. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    There are two sides to this:

    Is it a good idea? Listening to analysts, the idea isn't crazy.

    Is it a good idea with the current player pool? This has been a big no for many people. Even people that think the system is a good one against a bunker, think the personnel that have been tried there have failed for the most part and will continue to fail.

    If we could find a quality player that played there, would it be a good idea? That is something we haven't explored at all. Could Adams or McKennie do it? Even if they could, what do you do if they get hurt. If they can't, what is the backup to Yueill? Around we go.

    I do think this is a qualification thing. I think what you saw against Canada in Orlando is what you will see against better teams. You replace the DLP with a defensive destroyer type. Maybe if we draw a weak team in the WC, we have this in the tool kit.

    Personally, I think you line up Adams there and you make that work. Gregg has spent so much time changing things around the DLP, he must be able to change having a DLP altogether. I'm not even sure Adams couldn't do it, I wouldn't bet against him in anything.

    I think the cancelled March window was going to be that system. The system against good teams with Adams at the #6.
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    When your CBs are mediocre at best, your SBs tend to attack and return late, and your keeper is some rusty guy, a DM is a must against any team stronger than Panama.
     
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  7. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    They also had Vazquez,who was a 1.5 million dollar guy and a huge upgrade in their attack.
     
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  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Long Passing For Last Season
    (for starts at non-keeper and non-defender positions)

    Michael Bradley was 7th in number of accurate long passes and had a 69% completion rate of long balls
    Yueill was 16th and had a 64% completion rate
    Canouse was 134th. Benny Ball is killing his development.
    But coming in at 21st was one young Mr. Sands with 77% completion rate.
     
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  9. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What does getting bought by a club for 2 million have to do w/ anything? Cannon's Transfermarkt value is 3 million. Yedlin's is 7. These are theories anyway.

    Ream continually getting promoted to the EPL doesn't make him an EPL quality player. Time tells that. W/ him we found out the contrary. Williams, Lichaj weren't regulars for us.

    The true tests for Robinson will be earning the spot and/or performing in it. Then he'll penciled in.

    Today, nothing has changed. Don't understand the desire to get ahead of ourselves & preordain an xi we projected a year or two before it naturally may have materialized.
     
  10. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think on paper a wing-back role is more than fine for him. He can run, is pretty technical, gifted in the opponent's 3rd for a fb, etc. Don't know about tactical acumen. Though in ways a 3-man back-line could provide a buffer anyway.

    Ironically playing wing-back was used as an excuse for his last abomination of a national team performance. And fwiw he did have a much lower rating in 2 outings there this season. Maybe there's something about the position that lends to him not being as good offensively, like not having another winger to overlap. Not enough info.
     
  11. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Robinson did well at left wingback against France. Of course, Dave was the US manager at the time. I suspect Robinson will also do well at the position with Sheffield.
     
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  12. LuckofLichaj

    LuckofLichaj Member+

    Mar 9, 2012
    Adams is not a one-dimensional destroyer in the Gattuso or Makalele mold but he is a pure 6 in modern terms. He can shield and turn and play it quickly. You won’t see epic 30 yard switches but he has the quick feet and dribble in him to create easy pressure-relieving passes. He’s not a driver like Kante because he’s such a safe passer (yes, I remember the epic ball to Poulsen but that’s the exception not the rule). He’s at home playing very close to the the CBs when we have the ball.
     
  13. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    #4163 Excellency, Aug 10, 2020
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    Trump just got ushered out of a news conference by security personnel - weird.

    Edit: False alarm, apparently - kind of. Some shots were fired a block away from White House.
     
  14. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude's a chicken shet. Bunker time. Like his buddy hitler.
     
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  15. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    i will voice my displeasure however and whenever I feel like it. And I will “accept” what I deem acceptable.
     
  16. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who are those "analysts"? Here is an even better question; which national teams successfully play such a scheme with a very weak DM? Anybody?
     
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  17. CZM4

    CZM4 Member

    United States
    Jun 10, 2020
    He was bought for around 2 million because he had a relegation release clause in his contract. Clubs could not bid any higher than that. He is valued closer to $10 million, the price that Milan was ready to buy him for in January. That transfer would have made him a top 5 American transfer of all time. You are really underrating his value.
     
  18. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Really twisting an argument to suit a purpose. 10 mil 9 months ago and his stock has only risen since then.

    If an epl team (or multiple, or a top Italian team) were willing to spend between 2 and 10 mil for Tim Ream, he would literally be a different (and better) player.

    Same for anyone else mentioned.
     
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  19. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #4169 thedukeofsoccer, Aug 10, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2020
    Fair enough. I wasn't aware that was the reasoning for the low transfer fee. Thought it was because of the heart & Milan interest maybe anomalous.

    I'm not down on Robinson at all. But he has to prove it in the EPL and/or NT. I think simply being bought by a club propelling a player to a higher position in a national team by itself is practically an indefensible position because these are independent events not tied to performance. He simply merits opportunity off what he's previously done. Sheffield I'm sure is of the same mind.

    Club affiliation is the criteria of others. If Aaronson gets sold for 5-10m to Frankfurt or whoever, I'm not like to the starting xi for the NT you immediately go. And I wonder if some others would be consistent in that (suspect) standard.
     
  20. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    #4170 IndividualEleven, Aug 10, 2020
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    Robinson was one of the top LB's in the C'ship. That's a far higher level of achievement than that of any other LB in the US pool. What's with the silliness surrounding comment on this player? Where does this idea he has to prove something come from? Who is his competition? Sam Vines? Tim Ream? Daniel Lovitz? Alphonso Davies? Ferlend Mendy?
     
  21. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

    Jan 2, 2009
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An EPL team actually did spend $4 million on Tim Ream (and that was 8 years ago!).
     
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  22. CZM4

    CZM4 Member

    United States
    Jun 10, 2020
    He has already proven it in the championship. He should’ve been the starter at left back in 2019. But for berhalter, European players have to meet a higher standard. Being a high level championship player is not enough to break into “the group”
     
  23. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're talking to somebody who doesn't put a high priority on being primarily left-footed so I don't boil his competition to that.

    He's in a pool of fb's w/ Dest, Cannon, and Yedlin; those 3 having been around the same level and performed better for the national team. So to override that play better for the national team or with his club.
     
  24. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It didn't stop Ream from playing as left-sided cb & lb more than he should have. He just didn't have the shambolic performance Robinson had for Gregg to overreact to.

    Ream is an example of how you can't purely prove it in the Championship. Lichaj would be another recently. Miazga isn't a starter.

    Being good against their comp simply becomes a jumping off point. Same applies to Eredivisie, MLS, Liga MX, etc. Too many underwhelming performers from all of those leagues to leapfrog into starting spots w/ the NT.
     
  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    3 guys with about zero competitive match experience at LB. And against less than Douglas Costa-level comp, Dest didn't impress at LB for the US. But ok: at least you're laying out some sort of coherent reasoning.
     

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