Tea Light in the Dark Universe: Bobby Wood at Hamburg

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  1. The Irish Rover

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    As father Murphy kept instructing us, "remember boys, it's only a sin if you take pleasure in it". :p
     
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  2. The Irish Rover

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    Occam's Razor. The recent climate might be the reason why ESPN didn't cover it: too many other race-related issues to address..

    A fallen giant slumming it in Germany's D2 for a third season poaches the country's first black coach is relevant to German sports fans but I can't see how American fans would see its relevance and certainly not its priority.
     
  3. naopon

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    Also ESPNFC doesn't have any substantive analysis or storywriting with respect to Germany. They have some token recurring guests on the video segment who pop in to provide some soundbites on Haaland or Sancho or another flavor of the week (basically to sate United fans) but that's about it.

    Honigstein does some good regular features on The Athletic though, plus a weekly-ish podcast.

    On Thioune:

    https://amp.dw.com/en/daniel-thioun...-coach-in-the-countrys-top-leagues/a-47261803
     
  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    well they had some articles on the role and lack of Black managers across the English pro divisions so this might have been worth mentioning. Even if he doesn't see himself as such, he'd be a role model by some.
     
  5. The Irish Rover

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    #10180 The Irish Rover, Aug 10, 2020
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    Other possible explanations:

    He's the first black German coach in the BL/3 Liga system, not the first Black coach - Valentin Ismael coached Nurnberg in 2014 and Wolfburg in 2017-18, and Ricardo Moniz was caretaker at HSV and then coached 1860. First Black coach might be mentionable news for non-German football fans, even in an abnormal news season, but first black German (-born) coach would be a bit niche for many.

    In addition, Thioune isn't obviously a non-German or even non-European family name, and his background as a Germany-only D2-D3 player and coach would lead an under-time-pressure journalist to assume that he's a conventional worked-his-way up story, which is true, with nothing unusual about him, which isn't. Plus, looking at some of his head-on photos you wouldn't immediately think "Oh, he's Black".

    Also, if Bobby was scoring or even getting PT, they'd have been paying attention to HSV and picked up on it. There's no (good) news from him to cover, so they might have missed the guy's race. If they didn't, it's an editorial "we're gonna give Wood news 60 seconds so let's not take up 10-20 seconds of it on the German minor leagues reaching a milestone."
     
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  6. The Irish Rover

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    Maybe, but the Guardian probably takes football the most seriously out of all England's broadsheets (a lot of ESPN's written content bears an, ahem, "passing resemblance" to the last week's Guardian articles) and definitely takes race the most seriously, to the point that they could be described as trending woke. They haven't mentioned it in any way at all. I'm a dedicated reader of the Guardian, but I'm not really surprised. If HSV were in BL1, I'd expect some mention of it, but they're in BL2 now. If the Guardian aren't interested, IMO it's not that surprising that ESPN aren't.
     
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  7. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    Then for sure I'm clear!
     
  8. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    Some enterprising young pup is going to steal your pitch and win a pulitzer Lou!

    (I agree, in a month when soccer - and sports teams - the world over are literally printing BLM on their shirts, you'd think Hamburg PR would pitch this story - it's about all the good news they got going on!)
     
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  9. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    this sure got reported

    fair point, here's this for similar groundbreaking news
    https://www.goal.com/en/news/its-un...-african-manager-to/232zsmeowo3d1mt7n7ilpfu9w
     
  10. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    precisely, i sure hope i get quoted or i'm suing.
     
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  11. The Irish Rover

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    Last word I hope (forlornly I'm sure) on the coach. He's got a great track record at Osnabruck, (take over in October as the team slips into relegation and steer them to safety; win the 3 Liga next season and then keep them up last season) but managing a small club where you've been part of the furniture is one thing, managing a behemoth like HSV is another and doubly so after a decade of dysfunction. Let's wish him - and Bobby - luck. He'll need it. Badly.
     
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  12. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Hamburg has a friendly against Feyernoord on Friday
     
  13. The Irish Rover

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    FYP
     
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    On the bench for a friendly:

     
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  16. HScoach13

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    Oh boy he is getting 14 minutes... Insert sarcasm here.
     
  17. tomásbernal

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    I can't help but hear Daria deadpanning that line.
     
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  19. schrutebuck

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    Hamburg won 1-0, and it looks like Wood got 28 minutes off the bench today.

    I'm liking this growth trend.
     
  20. BostonRed

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  21. The Irish Rover

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    Not to worry. Since the BL has decided to continue with 5 subs per game for 2020-21, Bobby is sure to get PT this season.

    Isn't he? :confused:
     
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  22. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    if only he could accidentally score
     
  23. The Irish Rover

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    #10198 The Irish Rover, Sep 5, 2020
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    Accidentally!!! Of course!! That's the solution!!!

    Just tell him to target the corner flag when he shoots and he'll be the next Aguerro. :(
     
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  24. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    This is on one of the ESPNs if anyone wants to watch Wood not play.
     
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  25. schrutebuck

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    Jul 26, 2007
    Wood played the final 4 minutes in a 2-0 win.

    The trend is no longer our friend.
     

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