Off to training camp with this squad: 🔜 Abflug ins Trainingslager! 🛫🇨🇭Mit diesem Kader 👀👇 pic.twitter.com/J23duYosxZ— Borussia Dortmund (@BVB) August 10, 2020
Is Sancho staying or wtf is happening at the moment? I still believe they will sell him today, i think they wont cash so bad and United will cash it out
Besides the obvious benefit of keeping Sancho for the success on the field, I kind of hope that BVB sticks to the set deadline and doesn't sell anymore for other reasons as well. It would be one small step towards not being a pushover and a marginal upgrade to the perception of a weak selling club. The new season starts soon and any replacement for a team's top scorer should ideally be part of the preparation phase. That was the whole point of the deadline. Also, last week Watzke said that there has been no contact between the clubs and no offer at all had been made for Sancho. Partially, I want to see those supposed experts on social media eat shit who claimed that talks have been going on for weeks and that a deal is close. I don't think there'd be any point in taking Sancho to the training camp if BVB thought a deal is imminent.
Today is the deadline, the club made it clear the deal must be done before today and now that Sancho has travelled with the squad to Switzerland, that should be the end of it. The club is not desperate to sell and the player is reportedly not actively pushing for a move (like Dembele did) so no reason why he will not be a BVB player next season.
Lol "Last summer we adjusted Jadon's salary to match the development of his performances. So in context, we had already extended his contract until 2023 back then." pic.twitter.com/m2emQ4pedg— Borussia Dortmund (@BlackYellow) August 10, 2020
2023?! So he has 3 more years? I thought it was just 2. That's amazing! So even if he goes next summer it would be a big fee. But hopefully we start winning stuff this season and he sticks around. Great news today!
2023? Wow, why was this never mentioned before? That changes everything, no pressure to sell whatsoever/ Man Utd can ******** off lol.
why would a contract be so secret. I just dont understand this at all. Just come out with the details of it and move past it. Its kind of like release clauses. I dont understand them at all why that wouldnt be public.
Seems like Zorc and Watzke intentionally kept this part under wraps for tactical value. If (as English sources would have you believe) United and Sancho already had their part of the negotiations wrapped up, wouldn't this detail have leaked already?
Watching English TV pundits (Owen Hargreaves, Paul Scholes and Robin Van Persie) discussing Zorc's latest statement, all seem pretty dismissive saying they think this is a negotiation tactic and that Dortmund always sell their best players etc. I really hope the management stick to their guns, and shut up all these arrogant Utd clowns/plus press up.
My take on the situation, is that Sancho has had a change of heart, but having progressed so far into negotiations witH Man U, would like to save face; and hence Watzke sharing this tid-bit but suggesting that it was signed last year at the wage hike, instead of it more likely having been signed within the past week in all likelihood. I also believe that Liverpool have got to Sancho for a summer transfer next year, 2021, due to their financial issues at present. It serves all parties concerned barring Man Utd, who tried to play a game in a fragile position where they were never really in a place of power to begin with, and did not hold all the cards. It's no secret Sancho has made his preferences for Liverpool known. This is soo smoke and mirrors its laughable : ) Kudos Watzke & Zorc. Now Favre ... : ( Last chance salon, even though many would prefer it otherwise. I hope he proves us all wrong, but I won't be holding my breath on this one. That squad is CL winning material, easy.
interesting take on the Liverpool issue. Would make more sense if Sancho didnt want to play at Man U. Also gives us a position of power if we have a certain valuation and they are trying to lowball us
I don't think Zorc would straight up lie about when the extension was signed. Seems like they got it done last year, determined that it was ok not to do a public announcement (interesting given that BVB is a public company), and somehow kept it from leaking.
Yes, it's a believable theory that the 2023 contract extension was done recently but there is no point in lying about it because I'm pretty sure ManU would know the details as well. Sancho also didn't have anything to lose in 2019 to accept an additional year in exchange for going from something around 1.5 to 6 million. It's obvious that there is an agreement between the club and Sancho: Dortmund will accept his wish to leave as long as the price is fair. I also agree that ManU won't be the frontrunner for Sancho next year which is beneficial for him as well. No disrespect intended but there are better clubs he could join.
I don't see y not to, in my opinion. There are many ways around leaking that information, and even iF Man U were to b aware of those details, it wouldn't serve them to come out and confess that Sancho has had a change of heart and has chosen (potentially) to sign for a rival, certainly their biggest rival in many respects. That would look bad on potential targets further down the line. Its like you are courting a girl and she turns you down for a guy you don't really get on with. Professing you lost in that contest, will have further girls in your life batting eyes at the person. Its like u inadvertently social proof the individual, bad business. Not something u want ... and besides, b!tches b crazy *shrug*.
Every club will spin the story but fabricating facts is not really Zorc's MO, it might even have compliance implications. If Sancho just renewed recently, why wouldn't Zorc say something like: there was some interest from an overseas club, but Jadon chose to extend his contract instead?
Watzke has blatantly come out and denied any interest in Sancho from any clubs saying there were no contacts directly or through intermedieries ... yes ? and I think we can all agree that was a blatant lie if I ever I heard one. Now imagine you are the pretty girl at the prom, and you've openly been flirting with someone (say the oblivious Jock - Man Utd.) whose asked you to it, only to then change your mind because you prefer the quiet Artist - Liverpool, who instead asks you to a seaside amble. You obviously, having gone so far in batting your eyes at the Jock, wouldn't want to admit that you have had a change of heart, and so you say ... 'Well, sorry but my dad (being Watzke in this case), said I can't go to the prom becauSE I have a curfew (contract to '23)'. And then you skip out on the prom and head to the beach instead, to get high and wade under the stars. Lying is innate to us ... you forget.
and y would he say 'there was interest from an overseas club' ... its about saving face for Sancho, with Dortmund being the benefactors. You don't throw your players under the bus a la Mourinho. Btw, this is only ever conjecture and my take on the sequence of events unfolding ... time will prove truth or lie : ) But the way things have unfolded, its clear some development of which we, not being behind the scenes, are clearly unaware off. WhattsApp groups, visits tO england, no contact, contracts extended out of the blue .... turned heads ?
The reason I'd rather believe Watzke is that we are a publicly traded company and I'd assume a transfer in this category is of interest to the share holders. I'd guess that you cannot/shouldn't lie about something that constitutes like a fourth of a yearly budget combined with the loss of a key player. At the time he said it, a deal was still possible and there is a difference between negotiating and blatantly misleading the public. And why should he lie when he was that transparent regarding the parameters of the deal? What are the reliable sources that refute Watzke? Do we know ManU's official take? I'd certainly not trust all these self-declared experts with supposed insider access on social media. Kicker, for instance, had a story last week about having no information about any contact between the clubs. But in the end, we are all just guessing.
It might very well be apophenia on my part ... but if u r going to be naive in presuming to think that just because a company is publicly traded, that information is transparent, than you are pulling the wool over your own eyes my friend. Remember, a company only has to disclose a bid, not a 'hypothetical' negotaiation. It doesn't serve Utd in the least to have their advances made public given the way things have turned out ... for now at least. And besides, remember ... ENRON was a 'Publicly Traded Corporation'. Get with the program man ... : ) !!
Why would he lie in your opinion, for what purpose?? Usually, when you lie there is something to be gained or at least a good reason... What does he have to gain with this lie?? It seems to me he's got so much more to lose then to gain.
When Watzke denied any ongoing discussions with Man Utd he was probably not telling the truth in spirit, but I think the whole point of outsourcing the early contact to Marco Lichtsteiner is to make that statement plausible while not leaving room for United to haggle and whine about the price or deadline. If Zorc and Watzke tell Lichtsteiner to not inform them of any process short of an official written bid totaling 120m....I guess Aki can claim ignorance. It's certainly an interesting approach.