Anyone else thinking the 50% threshold for the championship is in danger? How many of the remaining smaller D1 conferences can meet the required standard for testing.
We can't in the US do that. Look at all of the states who filed lawsuits against the various governors. It might work in some cities but no way is it going to happen across the US And the lockdowns only happened in very specific places where the hospitals were completely overwhelmed. And as an aside, WHY would we lock the kids inside? Generally they handle this very well with little complications. The whole point initially of the lockdown was to keep everyone from being sick at the same time and overwhelming the hospitals NOT keeping everyone from getting sick. None of us is "safe" from the virus. Yes there are things we can do to keep us personally healthy and depending on your risk level it might mean you self isolate. But we are fooling ourselves if we think in the US or even in Europe that we can eradicate this virus. It's not possible. It will be with us forever. We need to figure out how to minimize risk but still maximize the quality of life as we can't shut down everything indefinitely hoping for a viable vaccination.
Rumors that the Power 5 will hold their own championships... Is this the beginning of the end to the schools who aren't Power 5's? It would be an easy way for the Power 5's to distance themselves from the NCAA and a lot of the politics. I'm not sure the NCAA is an effective means of governing at any rate and this might be an easy way to wrangle the power away from that group. I think the Power 5 has been thinking in that direction for a long time.
Division 2 has cancelled all Fall Championships for the 2020-2021 academic year. "NCAA Division II championships in fall sports for the 2020-21 academic year have been canceled due to the continuing COVID-19 pandemic and the related administrative and financial challenges of hosting the fall championships at any point in the upcoming academic year. "
Deaths from Coronavirus today in some European countries: United Kingdom +9; Germany +8; Italy +5; France +2. USA: +1265 (give or take a few, according to different websites). Feel free to calculate deaths per capita, since USA are of course much bigger than UK or Germany. Or choose some states in the US whose population can be compared to an European country and do the maths. Why do you have to drag us Europeans in that complete treinwreck that the pandemic in US is and claim what is or isn't impossible? We don't want to have anything to do with that. In most European countries the virus isn't "eredicated" for sure, but it's also much more in control than it is in your country. You wouldn't believe the number of things we can now do quite safely here compared to this spring. For instance: I am a teacher and here in Italy we're going to re-open the schools in September, although with a lot of containment measures and social distancing in classes to do it as safely as possible: of course, this is feasible in a country where the curve has been steadily very low in the last pair of months; it's much less feasible in a country where the contagion is running rampant. Also: claims as "it will be with us forever" are the epitome of careless sloppiness: what do you mean with "forever"? What exactly do you know about that and from which sources? Not even the worse pandemics in the history of humand kind were there "forever" and most of the endemic diseases were in the end more or less eradicated in most parts of the world. Why and on which basis should we give up so early with Covid-19? Anyway, here in Europe we didn't give up: if you want to talk about USA, be my guest, but let us fight the virus our way and don't randomly mention us to make very dubious claims.
I'm not characterizing that what Europe did wasn't effective. Viruses run their courses, it's Mother Nature. The flu of 1918-1920 infected 1/3 of the world's population. (and that was when the world's population was much less mobile than than it is today) That's how it ran its course. Herd immunity and the virus mutated. We still have H1N1 flus. They never went away. COVID will do the same thing. It's realism. There is no way the entire world is going to get on a program TOGETHER and isolate everyone and eradicate this. The disease will either 1. run its course and we will have herd immunity 2. we will vaccinate and stop its contagion 3. We will figure out an effective treatment 4. It will mutate and become less lethal and eventually will not be an issue anymore. You can't stop Mother Nature. There are no doctors anywhere saying we will eradicate this disease by self isolating, social distancing etc. https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/could-covid-19-ever-be-eradicated https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/how-and-when-will-this-pandemic-end-we-asked-a-virologist/ According to these websites we have only eradicated one disease ever smallpox. We've tried many other times but have failed. It's either vaccination or herd immunity that will end the pandemic.
Looking at numbers: Number of teams: 341 Number not playing, so far: 94 (this includes Howard and SC State, which I have not yet been able to verify, but both of which are independents this year) Number of Power 5 teams: 94 Number of teams that could decide not to play: 153 (which is 341 - 94 - 94 and assumes all the Power 5 will play) Number of additional teams that must decide not to play in order to reach 50% of 341: 77 Looking at what the conferences have decided so far, it seems more likely than not that the number will not reach the 50% threshold. However, there is something this does not take into consideration. If I read correctly what the NCAA has decided, schools can play Fall sports only if their playing is consistent with national, state, and local guidelines. If my reading is correct, then there may be Power 5 teams that will not be able to play. Here is what the NCAA has decided on this particular requirement: All member schools must adhere to federal, state and local guidelines related to COVID-19. It is important to note that the NCAA requirement relates to federal, state and local guidelines, not requirements. In other words, the NCAA requirement is more stringent than what the law requires. What this suggests is that we will see the Power 5 schools now scurrying to get exceptions to government guidelines that will allow them to play. Essentially, the NCAA is saying to governments: If you do not want them to play, then you tell them they cannot play.
Are there States or Counties that have prohibited college team sports competitions? Re: reference to "state and local guidelines". Is there a county that's going to tell it's local P5 campus no football or no sports? I've only heard of States and County public schools prohibiting HS sports. Some private K-12s are fighting to open and have sports, some public one's too I imagine. Lots of friction but what about college towns/counties?
How can schools allow kids to play soccer? I was watching this news and it said these athletes could all die from this virus
You can die driving on the freeway too. It is a choice based on risk and reward that every individual has the right to make.
This is only relevant if your education depends on driving on a highway . of course, you can take a bunch of others with you either way, neither of which sound like a good choice.
why, so we can feel superior to Sweden, of course, that other country whose leaders thought you could just ignore the problem as unimportant. They aren’t the worst, though. and as you brought up deaths per capita, you are right that the USA size makes comparisons indirect.. here is the infamous top 10. The USA is there , but we aren’t alone. I count 5 Euro countries that have fared worse. France is only marginally better. I’m moving to Uruguay. The ship has kind of sailed on major contributions to science, the Arts, or industry, but it appears that throwing obscene amounts of money their way will get me in. ( btw, the same method gets you into this country too, if you are a masochist. Here you just need to invest a half million or more in a business that hires ten or more people and pay a $3600 filing fee. Since citizen can’t ordinarily be revoked, you can then fire the employees and sell the business.)
Of course, if you count all the deaths since the start of the pandemic, there are quite a number of European countries that are worse than USA or perfectly comparable. The point I was making, though, was quite different: I was talking about the current ratio of deaths per day; as much deaths if we can have counted here in the first months of the outbreak, it's about a pair of months that the situation in many European countries is quite manageable, to the point that the curve of the deaths resemble a Gaussian curve, with a number of deaths as low and scattered now as it was in the beginning. It doesn't seem to me that that's the case in USA.
I did find this example. P5 town does not want students moving in! this at UNC that is supposed to be a model for re-open planning. Going to be more of this I’d guess - Orange County health director wants UNC to delay in-person classes for at least 5 weeks https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article244738652.html
In the Power 5 conferences at a minimum you may opt out of playing any sport due to COVID reasons and retain your scholarship. Not sure what the other conferences are doing. Again, these kids are much more likely to get the virus as community transmission (because they are going out and not social distancing etc) than they are within the highly regulated sports environment. The best thing that could happen to the athletes is to postpone moving in with the regular students and keep the athletes somewhat alone on campus... Although this isn't working out so well for MSU, Northwestern, Rutgers football. Clemson, LSU, Bama all had big outbreaks with football earlier in the summer.
Comparing deaths on a single day doesn't tell us much in regards to coronavirus. Eg. Denmark had 1 death and Italy had 5. Does that really tell us anything? Have they had the same response to the virus? How about Sweden with 1 death? Are they the same as Denmark? Same response? Sure, let's do Italy vs California since you are in Italy and want us to do maths. Covid deaths for Italy 35,181 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ Italy population 60.4M https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/italy-population/ 58.24 deaths per 100,000 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/california/ 9872 CA population: 39.5 million https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/CA/PST045219 24.99 deaths per 100,000 Everyone in the world knows Italy was a "treinwreck" in regards to letting their old people die from coronavirus. You are going to put forward the idea that Italy knows how to handle the coronavirus? I am fairly certain other Europeans would be hesitant to propose Italy as the guide to coronavirus response. The virus already ran through a very significant portion of Italy's vulnerable population and they died. Could this possibly be a factor in the recent declines in death rate there? The vastness of Europe (51 countries and 6 territories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_population) and varied responses taken to the virus make a Europe vs USA comparison an exercise in futility. Which country(eg. Sweden vs Denmark)? Which decision? Does timing matter? Some countries have done considerably better. Others not so much. That is what the data tells us. Anything else is propaganda.
Everyone questioning my data keeps misunderstanding my claim (I have to believe it's done on purpose): I am not talking the "total number of deaths through the whole outbreak": I am talking the numbers at some months from the peak. Is it so difficult a concept to grasp? Look at some graph: Italy had a peak and then went low. USA had a peak and then plateaued on high levels of deaths anyway. You really don't see any difference? If you don't like taking a random day (I could have taken yesterday, today, 5 days ago, whatever) when USA surpassed any European country not by 5 deaths vs 1, as in your meaningless example, but by a 100 to 1.000 factor, just take the numbers from last month and tell me if they depict any trend. Of course we didn't know how to handle it! We were the first to be hit outside of Asia: basically no-one except China had any idea of how to handle it. But then again: I am not talking about the first response: I am talking about where we are some months from the peak. And, no, it's not like it hit "all of the vulnerables" in Italy, or we would have had even more deaths: it's just that the R0 has been handled in a way that it slowed down the outbreak. Yes, i can see very well the propaganda: it's most probably useless that I post anything else about that here. I wouldn't have unless Europe had been compared to USA in the response to the virus as if it was the same. Saying something alike is not just propaganda: it's simply denying what's under everyone's eyes.
My comparison was not based on studies. It was based on choosing to play college athletics and choosing to drive on the highway. There are some risks involved in both. One can take online classes if they so choose.
There is a correction I need to make to these numbers. The 50% not participating threshold for no Fall championship applies to eligible teams, not to all teams. The number of 341 teams I used above includes Bellarmine, Dixie State, and UC San Diego, all of which are re-classifying and are not eligible for the NCAA Tournament. Thus the correct number of teams to which the threshold applies is 338, so if half of that number which is 169 are not playing, there will be no Fall championship. With 94 teams currently not playing and the assumption that 94 Power 5 teams are playing, that leaves 150 remaining teams. For there to be 169 teams not playing, 75 of those 150 would have to decide not to play (rather than the 77 in the quote). The date as of which the calculation will be made is August 21, so unless 75 additional teams have dropped out by then, it looks like there will be a Fall championship. There still is room for each division (including Division I) to decide not to have a Fall championship, but that decision likewise must be made by the August 21 deadline. In addition: If a decision is made to move forward with fall sports championships, there must be a plan for scaling down the number of championship sites, including the possibility of single sites where appropriate, reduced bracketing, fewer competitors, and similar actions to create efficient and effective events. This does not necessarily mean there will be fewer than 64 teams in the bracket. If there are that many teams, however, it does appear to mean that there will not be 32 sites for the first weekend’s games, so we probably are looking at a different schedule of games than we have seen in recent years.
Not all FBs schools are P5’s. 65 are, of which UConn and ND are independent. but 130 schools compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Football_Bowl_Subdivision the P5’s leaving the NCAA doesn’t necessarily mean no bowls. It depends on the wording of contracts signed.
Good grief, I never should do things manually: Teams that have decided no Fall soccer: 93 (I just did a re-check) Power 5 teams: 64 (you are correct) Total eligible teams: 338 Remaining teams: 181 (338 - 93 - 64) Number of teams to reach 50% threshold: 169 (half of 338) Number of additional teams needed deciding no Fall soccer, to reach 50% threshold: 76 (169 - 93) Looking at where the still active non-Power 5 conferences are to date: American AC - Sept 1 start date AtlanticSun - Sept 18 Big Sky - Sept 18 Big South - Sept 3 Colonial - only 4 teams playing (so far), no start date CUSA - no announced start date Horizon - Oct 1 Mid American - Sept 3 Southland - Sept 1 - just announced they are reviewing the recent NCAA action Southern - no announced start date - just announced they are reviewing the recent NCAA action Sun Belt - Sept 3 WAC - Sept 10 West Coast - Sept 24 Big East - no announced start date, conference only Missouri Valley - Sept 18, conference only Mountain West - Sept 26, conference only Ohio Valley - Sept 17, conference only Summit - Sept 23, conference only Given all of the start dates, it seems like all of these conferences have left themselves time after August 21 to change their minds and decide not to play in the Fall. Although the NCAA action could end up causing some of these conferences to decide not to play, I do not see any great incentive for them to make their final decision before the August 21 date to which the 50% rule applies. Thus my conclusion is that the greater likelihood is that the August 21 deadline will pass without the no play teams reaching 50% and that the NCAA will move forward with plans for a Fall national championship tournament (whatever the format may be). I am starting to imagine a 2-game opening weekend played with 8 pods of 8 teams each, for the rounds of 64 and 32; a second weekend played with 2 pods of 8 teams each, for the round of 16 and the quarterfinals; and a third weekend played with 1 pod of 4 teams, for the semifinals and championship -- with the NWSL and MLS tournaments as prototypes for the protocols to be used for health protection of each pod.
https://www.whas11.com/article/news...d-19/417-75c022ad-19d3-494e-a57c-da7ef7d7affc LOUISVILLE, Ky. — University of Louisville officials confirm they have temporarily suspended all team-related activities for men's and women's soccer, field hockey, and volleyball due to an outbreak of COVID-19 cases. The suspension of activities started on Monday, Aug. 3. According to a news release, 29 members of the four teams tested positive for COVID-19. The primary source of the positive tests was traced to an off-campus party.