Andrew Carleton

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  1. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Could the promotion of Glass be a good thing for him? If any Atlanta coach can understand the skillset Andrew has, it’s Glass.
     
  2. Tactical Hipster

    Dec 23, 2014
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't read too much into that since Glass' appointment is just on the interim basis and I doubt they would recall Carleton from a loan right now where he is getting consistent minutes. Never say never, but I wouldn't get your hopes up
     
  3. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    His performances for Indy have been okay. He occasionally will show flashes of residency Andrew Carleton but a lot of the time he looks like a bang average USL player.

    It’s time to sell your Andrew Carleton USMNT stock. He has potential but that potential is looking like it will cap out as an above average MLS player now. Andrew’s immaturity and Atlanta’s lack of personal coaching have derailed his career
     
  4. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    You had us in the first half, not gonna lie

     
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  5. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I enjoyed this Dave
     
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  6. BGSUSoccerFan423

    Jul 2, 2011
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    So far within the matches he’s played since the restart, he’s played decently. The technical ability is there but in order to take that next step up, he’s going to have to show consistency even at this level before someone decides to take him serious at the MLS level. Those who have seen the touch videos on twitter, they are from me. From the responses (mostly from United fans), all of them seem to parrot the same things. Talent isn’t his problem. Professionalism and maturity is. He’s only 20 so while we’ve been spoiled to have kids make major strides to earn senior team minutes abroad early in their career, we can’t expect every prospect to do the same and I find more and more of our fans do that. While I still feel it’s too early to call him a flop, his peers are leaving him in the dust. It’s up to him to choose if he wants to get up to speed or stay behind.

    They have a match tonight on ESPN+. Also sidenote. Probably the best time to get ESPN+ now since the Bundesliga is moving to the service. They also still have Serie A for another season as well as the EFL Championship and USL Championship as well. Some of the current U17 cycle kids like a couple kids at Philadelphia Union II are getting good experience at this level. All for $4.99 a month or $50 a whole year. You can’t beat that.

    Back to Carleton. Whenever he has good matches, I think I will continue to highlight them throughout the campaign. But overall, not much to really expect from him until the consistency comes.

    Sorry for the long winded post.
     
  7. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    we have talked about it on other threads, but the technical wizardry and fun soccer brain are barely at this point masking the subpar athleticism. looks to me like he just doesnt have the speed, quickness, or strength required to be a national team caliber player.
     
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  8. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This isn’t related to the post. But it’s nice to see another bg person on here
     
  9. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    still the messi of american soccer...next year is his year
     
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  10. Billy Eindhoven

    Billy Eindhoven New Member

    Lazio
    United States
    Jul 12, 2020
    I haven’t seen too much of him recently, but how truly bad is Carleton’s athleticism? I know he’s a smaller guy, but is he so unathletic that his vert is less than twenty inches, his top speed is 15 miles an hour and genetically he is not that gifted, or is it more of a work ethic thing
     
  11. BGSUSoccerFan423

    Jul 2, 2011
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Ay ziggy zoomba
     
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  12. BGSUSoccerFan423

    Jul 2, 2011
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    This is where I disagree. Athleticism is just one part of the game. He’s not a blazer. But he’s definitely not slow with the ball at his feet. I’ve seen slower dribblers even at the Premier League level.
     
  13. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Who are you thinking of as a slower dribbler in prem?

    he looks fairly slow in those clips. Def no dog in the race here it would be awesome if he can put things together but I do think trajectory from here looking decidedly average.
     
  14. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    He’s in a long line of soccer players that were really good and promising as 16 years olds, but as they got older, their glaring holes become more apparent. They then have a career on the fringes of low level leagues and message boards will debate “whos to blame player X Isn’t a champions league player.” Rinse and repeat.

    oh and he’s on the bench tonight for Indy.
     
  15. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Andrew’s problem is that he has not improved as a player at all since he was in residency. When you are a promising 16 year old it’s fine when you put in the performances Andrew typically has. But when you are 20 and a pro for 4 years it no longer is a good thing. It comes down to poor player development from Atlanta (who has also dropped the ball with the other homegrowns) and Andrew’s own personal issues.

    Every age group has a incredibly promising prospect who will flame out for a random reason. For the 2000’s Andrew is that prospect. This is not something unique to the USA either, the powerhouse footballing countries often have 3-4 players like this in every age group
     
  16. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still reminds me of Emre Mor. Just a worse version.

    At least Mor got a few paydays.
     
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  17. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With how Atlanta looked in the tournament they may as well bring Andrew back and give him a shot. I’m not confident he’d take advantage of the opportunity but that team needs anything they can get right now.
     
  18. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Carleton needs to play regularly, but most important to his future he needs to get his head screwed on straight. I think a year in exile in Indy is the best path for him now. Atlanta (the city, not the club) seems to hold a lot of bad influences for him, and maybe spending time elsewhere will help him improve his mentality and professionalism.

    Chances are that Carleton will be out of the sport in a few years, but we’ll see. Things can change fast, and dramatically.
     
  19. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    this is complete bs

    atlanta is not at fault for this they were just overhyped players. I mean watch carleton....what exactly was he going to ever become? he was overhyped and on top of that he made a bunch of mistakes that clearly showed he didnt have the mentality to become a good player.
     
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  20. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, Andrew Carleton as a youth player was by far the most talented of his age group and showed it in every single game. Atlanta’s youth staff has even admitted that they screwed up his development. Andrew certainly is to blame but acting like Atlanta is not at fault as well is a fallacy.
     
  21. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    when you say 'was'...u mean at 17 he was better which is like saying...I was good until we started playing against kids not our age(which has to happen for a player to actually be good) and he was good when we were children. we all have that kid we remember from like when we were 14/15/16 and they were just the greatest athlete in the world...by the time we graduated hs he didnt even play anymore.

    just a few years later nobody would take carleton over weah, sargent, akinola, sands and thats just a few off the top of my head from the u17 team. He wasn't the best then and he is further down the list now. A kid like sands has improved every year since then. Atlanta isn't to blame if a kid doesnt know he can't go out drinking the night before the final...there isn't much to say.
     
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  22. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I think Carleton owns most of the blame. Whether it's partying before MLS Cup or the purple drank, it's clear working on his game was not his top priority.

    That said, it's also worth noting that Atlanta United probably didn't handle it very well.

    @David Kerr mentioned that they "admitted" that they didn't handle him well; I don't agree with that. Their admittal was a non-apology; a way to cast even more blame on Carleton's work ethic and attitude by saying "it's our fault that we enabled his poor behavior." That's not taking responsibility at all.

    But it does speak to the general attitude of Atlanta United. Which was that they expected their players to provide their own direction, and if they weren't consummate professionals, they don't quite know how to correct that.

    Motivation comes from the person; a team or coach can only amplify or destroy what is there. They can't make it from zero.

    So it's possible that they did everything right and Carleton still wouldn't work. Or it's possible that they tried to motivate Carleton in exactly the wrong way and made it worse.

    These things are never that crystal clear. But at the end of the day, it's usually mostly on the person.
     
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  23. David Kerr

    David Kerr Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah Tony Annan literally said that they failed with Andrew Carleton in this video here:

    Helping young players with life coaches, diets, and personal behavior is something European clubs do and do very well. Atlanta did not check in with Andrew Carleton and Chris Goslin at all. Sometimes you have to keep a teenager in check and Atlanta failed to do so. Obviously most of the blame will fall mostly on the player but Atlanta is not free of blame either.
     
  24. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    Andrew Carleton will be 30 and be a squad player for the Austin bold and we’ll still have users blame Atlanta for not turning a poor soccer player Into Kevin de Bruyne.
     
  25. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    have you ever watched the show intervention and there is a guy in his early thirties who looks like he is in his 50s and his parents talk about his drug habit and the mother says its partially her fault....she is atlanta. its the kids fault should she probably have shifted from the supportive loving mother approach to tough love when that didnt work....yes but its not her fault the kid is a drug addict.

    in carleton's position its not like he was 10 he was 17/18/19 and said he wanted to be a professional soccer player and dont forget his parents were right there the entire time too.
     

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