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Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Jul 25, 2020.

  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS is Back Tournament lessons so far: Bubble holding up; Atlanta, Galaxy and Red Bulls on the slide
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-l...ng-upatlantagalaxy-and-red-bulls-on-the-slide

    After rough start, MLS bubble in Florida seems to be working
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...175a6e-ce0a-11ea-99b0-8426e26d203b_story.html

    MLS and ESPN pull off unprecedented TV coverage of MLS Is Back tournament during pandemic
    https://worldsoccertalk.com/2020/07...ge-of-mls-is-back-tournament-during-pandemic/

    MLS tournament TV ratings haven’t been great, but ESPN’s technology has been a winner
    https://www.inquirer.com/soccer/mls-is-back-tournament-tv-ratings-espn-fox-univision-20200725.html

    Revealed: MLS’s tentative plan for resuming season in home markets
    https://theathletic.com/1950606/2020/07/24/mls-regular-season-2020-return-plan/

    Report: MLS Planning to Resume Season in Home Markets
    https://www.si.com/soccer/2020/07/25/mls-resume-regular-season-2020

    Power Rankings: Atlanta United plummets, LAFC seizes top spot after MLS is Back Tournament group stage
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...-plummets-lafc-seizes-top-spot-after-mls-back

    Dismissing Frank De Boer Shows Atlanta United Serious About Being A ‘Big Club’
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianqui...d-do/?ss=small-business-strategy#2cd4140e37e3

    Frank de Boer out as Atlanta United head coach
    https://sports.yahoo.com/frank-boer-atlanta-united-head-182711856.html

    As the stakes change in MLS tournament, Alejandro Bedoya and the Union stay driven to win it
    https://www.inquirer.com/soccer/phi...volution-mls-is-back-tournament-20200724.html

    Chris Wondolowski opens door to MLS return next season
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/4145881/chris-wondolowski-opens-door-to-mls-return-next-season

    Report: Atlanta United among MLS teams in pursuit of Monterrey's Jonathan Gonzalez
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...ls-teams-pursuit-monterreys-jonathan-gonzalez

    Celtic among teams interested in Philadelphia Union's Brenden Aaronson
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...iladelphia-unions-brenden-aaronson-tom-bogert
     
  2. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today's name the badge:
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  3. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today's documentary:
     
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  4. BakedAlaskan

    BakedAlaskan Member+

    Feb 28, 2002
    Ancho-RAGE,Alaska
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
    TSV1967 Munich
    Tough Situation Vicinity
     
  5. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Negative!
     
  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Winner, winner ... Trabzonspor from the Turkish Superlig
     
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  8. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Knew that because of one Fabian Castillo.
     
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  9. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Posted this elsewhere when the Mark McKenzie rumors started but the same applies here: going to the SPL, even with Celtic, is a step down. The few games you get in Europe against teams that are better than MLS teams doesn't offset the fact that most of your games are against teams that would be wooden spoon contenders. Last year they had a couple games against Rennes and Lazio. Those two teams are better providing they cared and played a first team. They lost to FC Copenhagan, a team that is probably slight bit better than a top MLS team. That is it. The year before they got Leipzig, Valencia, and maybe you throw Salzburg in there. 17/18 they got the the UCL group stage and got trashed by PSG (5-0 at home and 7-1 away) and beat by Bayern (5-1 over two games).

    Is that a worthwhile trade to go to a league that mainly shops for players in League Two or lower? Kilmarnock bought a 27 year old striker with 5 goals in 25 games in the National League (and had 0 goals in 13 games above the National League) and he immediately became a starter. 11 other players were brought in from League Two sides to mainly be starters. MLS is bad because of BWP being a League One player (despite the fact he had more minutes in the Championship than League One). Aberdeen finished 4th last year with Shay Logan (a player that had far more League One experience than any other level in England), Funso Ojo (never played above League One in England), Niall McGinn (only played in League One in England and managed 7 games in K-League 1), and Sam Cosgrove (has 44 goals for Aberdeen after scoring 1 goal in 8 games in League Two and could barely get on the field in the National League). But McKenzie would be better off defending players like that and a 37 year old Jermaine Defoe (who scored 17 goals for Rangers last year) than players who are fringe national team players or full national team players. Aaronson is better off playing basically League One or Two defenses instead of teams with defenders that play for their national teams in South America.
     
  10. Pack87Man

    Pack87Man BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 1, 2001
    Quad Cities
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you for doing the work on this. It's similar to what I have said before, though I would also add that most leagues in Europe are entirely top heavy, which means that even if you play for a Porto or Feyenoord or Liege, you'll be seeing a lot of wooden spoon contenders in any league. Robbie Keane talked some about this in MLS, how you always had to prepare because the teams were so close in quality.
     
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  11. 4four4

    4four4 Member+

    Nov 13, 2013
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    There is no such thing as a big club in MLS.
     
  12. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  13. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He currently has a business model drawing 45k+ per game. Losing three in a row without scoring a goal and having disgruntled players risks that model.
     
  14. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Somehow I think the last three games were merely the final; straw. This was a questionable hire from the start, and FDB never seemed to fit that team from the get go.
     
  15. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its still quite a 180, going from a team where everything they did came up roses to a team which cant seem to do a single thing right.

    Ive been saying all season that they just arent a good side, even with Josef, but for them to stink this badly you really have to look at the coach.
     
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  16. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Particularly if the coach was one of the reasons you dumped several popular players (Gressel and LGP. Nagbe wanted to go back to Ohio so I don't throw him in there) to get players to fit his system. You've got possibly the best scorer in MLS history up top, a player that you should be able to sell for 25+ million and was leading a team as an 18 year old led his team to a Copa Sudamericana title, and a player that was recently the South American player of the year. Even if one of those pieces is out you shouldn't score 0 goals over 270 minutes in some tournament. It doesn't help that it seems like the players hated him. There are stories of players routinely storming out of practice and a whole group of them cheering within earshot of him when Tottenham beat Ajax. When the technical director (Bocanegra) is down on the sidelines talking to players DURING A GAME you have to assume everyone knows that the coach has lost the locker room.
     

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