Fire TBD! - New Coach Discussion

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  1. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Juergen for the Galaxy? :eek:
    Ok, the recent descent of the managers of the Galaxy [late version Arena to Onalfo to Schmid to Kinnear to Schellotto] is pretty much as if Lincoln had begun with General Rosecrans and then had followed with Hood to Burnside to Bragg to McClellan. To replace Schelotto with Jurgen Klinsmann would be like Lincoln finishing up not just with someone truly awful in charge, such as Pillow, but as if he had gone straight to insanely awful... such as Custer. Sure, the sequence of failure upon depressing failure upon ugly failure would finally come to an end... but only by embracing truly spectacular failure... Why not go for a smart and seasoned manager, practical and fiercely dedicated to winning, as was early Bruce? A football equivalent of General Grant. And if Jesse Marsch cannot be persuaded, then why not try some of those solid managers still/soon to be underemployed in England?
     
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  2. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Fair point. I was referring to the incompetence piece, but GBS doesn't seem like a bad human being.
     
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  3. Skevin

    Skevin Member+

    Aug 9, 2009
    Colorado
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Yea you're right. I am just sick of not even mediocre for years. I am clinging onto the hope that a more well known manager can come in and reshape us like Bruce did.
     
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  4. hav77

    hav77 Member+

    May 31, 2010
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    We hear ya. 2014 literally seems like like an eternity ago.
     
  5. Neubill

    Neubill Member

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Jan 26, 2005
    Southern Kelehfornya
    Back in the day, the hate from other teams towards us was so delicious.
    Now the other teams pity us.
     
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  6. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I introduced a new fan to us last year. It hasn't been pretty.
     
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  7. skydog

    skydog Member+

    Aug 1, 1999
    Durham, NC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Coaches don’t have to be well known to be good. They just need to be good. But I have zero faith that Klein could recognize such a person.
     
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  8. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    You say that like its a good thing....
     
  9. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Either you're being sarcastic, or are not totally up-to-date vis a vis Klinsmann's situation at Hertha Berlin. He resigned via Facebook post after a few weeks in charge, citing lack of support from the club (even though they broke records spending under him). He was subsequently removed from Hertha's advisory board.

     
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  10. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is it a Klein or te Kloese issue, though? At one point, we all thought Klein was a big, fat dummy who was going to give the job to his roommate Caleb Porter.
     
  11. Skevin

    Skevin Member+

    Aug 9, 2009
    Colorado
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    I met my wife in 2015 and introduced her to the Galaxy and Aston Villa. Galaxy proceeded to wooden spoon it, and Villa was relegated in 20th place. :cry:
     
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  12. LEM-LAG

    LEM-LAG Member+

    May 28, 2011
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    On Porter : at this moment not giving him the coaching role seemed to be an error given how good Columbus are, but remember Porter has an history of being very streaky with Portland, alternating years of great playoffs runs and years not reaching the postseason. We could have done better. Was GBS better? Right now, clearly no.
     
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  13. skydog

    skydog Member+

    Aug 1, 1999
    Durham, NC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Like I said at the time - GBS didn't have a good tactical rep when we hired him. My hope was he would bring in enough talent, especially Argentine talent, that it wouldn't matter. With Pavon and Polenta and even Gonzalez as a sub he got the talent influx started. Adding Corona, Antuna and Alvarez were ok as well. And I don't blame GBS for losing Ibra nor for him being replaced by Chich.
    But the rest? By the start of 2020 we lost our best cb Polenta, lost Antuna, released Alvarez, had gotten rid of our fastest player in Boateng, released reliable and cheap Romney and replaced them with a bunch of broken parts like Cuello, Juninho(?), an apparent racist and Insua. We were mediocre last season and needed to upgrade - instead we downgraded. Absolutely horrible off-season personnel swaps. So now we have neither tactics nor talent.
     
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  14. skydog

    skydog Member+

    Aug 1, 1999
    Durham, NC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    If the company fails year after year it's the fault of the man at top. Klein decided to hire GBS and he has failed like all the other coaches Klein has hired after Bruce left. Klein also has ultimate say on player signings - to put it mildly, they have been mostly horrible under his reign. Klein also hired DTK and he came in with a great rep but for whatever reason he hasn't improved our roster either. I don't know if he was overrated or Klein is handcuffing him.

    Bottom line - Klein is our either the Galaxy CEO or is picking the Galaxy CEO's (depends on who is making the final decisions). But either way - absolute failure. We are about to end 5 seasons with a cumulative playoff record of 0-1. Fire Klein!!!!!!!!!
     
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  15. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So it's all your wife's fault! (just kidding, and congrats :) )
     
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  16. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I was certainly in the camp that wanted GSB over Porter and I still think there's some reason for it. Porter seems like a good fit for a small-market team. He could probably get the most out of Columbus. My concern is that MLS is changing in favor of the larger-market, higher-spending teams. That should be us.

    We need a leadership team that is:

    Good at recruiting the right stars
    Good at finding mid-priced players in South America
    Good at tactics
    Good at managing egos

    I was hoping that te Klose could do the first two and GBS the second two, but it hasn't worked out. But I'm not sure Porter could bring the gravitas to deal with world class players. On the other hand, Brian Schmetzer is doing well in Seattle and he didn't have much of a pedigree (although Seattle is not as star-crazed as the Galaxy). BTW, Schmetzer went to my high school a year after me. His family even had a sporting goods store about six blocks from my house.
     
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  17. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    #467 MPNumber9, Jul 23, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2020
    I'm not saying I think Porter's the answer either or even that we should've hired Porter in retrospect. I just couldn't remember if Porter was Klein's guy or te Kloese's. That's not to excuse Klein, though I think the problems go beyond him.

    The real question is whether or not you think GBS deserves another real season to figure it out, as this one's been a bust. He did get the team into the playoffs for the first time since 2016 and won their first playoff match since...2014? Bringing in Pavon was a coup. We don't know what other moves he might've made with an uninterrupted 2020 season -- or how the team might've played with more reps under their belts (1 DP has been here half a season, another has played 3 matches). I don't think losing to Portland under the circumstances is that bad, for example -- but the Vancouver loss and this blowout to LAFC, as individual performances go are enough to want to pull the ripcord.

    Arena, both at the beginning and end of his tenure, had pretty flawed and imperfect teams and the first thing he did was stop bleeding goals that lead to embarrassing losses. Even if we have to tie half 75% of games in the season, we cannot lose games like these the way we have.
     
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  18. Neubill

    Neubill Member

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Jan 26, 2005
    Southern Kelehfornya
    Three matches, one point, and a humiliating loss to LAFC. This team is unrecognizable to me.

    What bothers me the most is the way we're playing.
    We lack might, sight, and fight.

    We're at the bottom of the table. We got there playing our high-priced vets and it's clear that GBS can't make them into a cohesive unit. But can he work with our hungry youth?

    As far as I'm concerned, the fork in the road has been reached:
    Path A: Fire the coach. That's the easy solution.
    Path B: Play the kids the rest of the way. It's the path less traveled, especially for this team.

    Can GBS develop youth players? I believe he can.

    I'm in favor of Path B.
     
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  19. JPAR

    JPAR Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    GBS has never shown an ability to develop youth. He was already known as a coach who lacked tactical acumen. Admit the mistake, fire him now, and let's rebuild - again...
     
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  20. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I'm done after watching us deliver another 34 crosses tonight. He's not the answer.

    Though kudos for FINALLY benching Gonzalez. Though I want to take back the kudos after watching DePuy play. Where has that guy been and why was Gonzalez playing over him?
     
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  21. skydog

    skydog Member+

    Aug 1, 1999
    Durham, NC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    GBS is not a good evaluator of talent, he is not a good motivator and he is not a good tactician. Klein is terrible evaluator of talent, both managers or players. We built a roster with exactly one true finisher and he has been both slumping and oft-injured. This team is hopeless and will stay that way until at least GBS is gone. Ideally both he and Klein would leave but I don’t see Klein going on his own or being sacked by his AEG friend.

    Sooner or later GBS will be fired due to poor performance and we will start rebuilding. Again. Hopefully we become a great team again. But my patience is pretty much worn out. I’ve grown attached to the great posters on this board but no longer any of the players. That’s a problem and I don’t know what to do.
     
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  22. Skevin

    Skevin Member+

    Aug 9, 2009
    Colorado
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Well for what it is worth, De Boer just became available because Atlanta is crazy.
     
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  23. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully we'll get players that help you. The 49ers were in this boat (and have basically turned over EVERYONE), and I like the new team a lot. But it helps that the new folks embraced what the brand means. So hopefully a rebuild will do the same for the Galaxy.
     
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  24. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    on GBS, this is where I'm at. emphasis on "wildly":

     
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  25. JPAR

    JPAR Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Come on Galaxy, show the same ambition as Atlanta - Fire GBS!
     
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