CIF moves sports around to avoid playing in the fall

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by espola, Jul 20, 2020.

  1. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    https://cifstate.org/covid-19/7.20.20_release

    Two seasons - a Fall that begins in December or so depending on section and ends in April, and a Spring that begins in March or so depending on section and ends in June.

    The Southern Section (roughly from Fresno south, except not LA City or San Diego and Imperial Counties) has released more details --
     
  2. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    From the CIF State release --

    Temporary Suspension of Bylaws 600-605 (Outside Competition) Due to the need to move sports to non-traditional times of the year, the CIF is temporarily suspending Bylaws 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, and 605 for all sports for the 2020-21 school year. Accordingly, students will be allowed to participate on an outside team at the same time they participate on their high school team. As per CIF Article 23, local schools, school districts, leagues, and Sections may develop a more restrictive rule than the CIF State Office with respect to the aforementioned Bylaws.

    Those are the rules that prohibit "outside competition", which means that soccer players will not be restricted from practicing and playing with club teams during the modified seasons.
     
  3. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
    Wish we had your weather -- it'd be great to be able to shift into the winter without playing in 15- or 20-degree weather (I sat through an outdoor night game on the warm end of that range last winter that I expect to thaw out from any day now).
     
  4. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    Just because the organizing league allows it doesn't mean the coaches have to allow it (at the school or club).

    Assuming our "normal" practice/game schedules, club practices 2-3 times a week w/games on weekends.

    HS has 2-3 games/week, occasional weekends, and usually practice on nights there are no games.

    So, what do you prioritize? My "normal" priority would be: club game, school game, club practice, school practice. But I'm assuming club coaches wouldn't be happy with players missing training to attend school games. And school coaches probably wouldn't be happy for players to miss games for club training.

    Either coach might be forced to "allow" it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect playing time.

    I REALLY hope my state doesn't get to that point (right now, they're still trying to have fall seasons).
     
  5. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    HS soccer here is a winter sport - tryouts start mid-November (although some crazy coaches have had tryouts in August before school starts so they will know which players to put in "soccer PE"), games start Monday after Thanksgiving (allows for club tournaments Thanksgiving weekend), league games usually start early January and end mid February, with Section (essentially San Diego County for us) and Regional (southern "half" of California) playoffs after, ending mid-March. There was already some talk of moving the soccer season forward into early November (I have no idea why) until this year's problems aced that out.

    Because of the 600 Rules, players were not allowed to play or practice with "outside" teams during their HS season, intended to mean organized competitive club teams, but could also be extended to refer to semi-formal Sunday leagues. It was accepted for some players to participate in club tournaments in December if they did not play in a game for their HS until their club games were complete. ODP/National players were allowed to play with those teams without penalty. College ID camps were a grey area - OK with prior notification and without full-sided games as part of the camp - but that rule has been loosened recently and will probably be moot in 20/21 season.
     
  6. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    There was and probably always will be contention between club coaches and HS coaches. Our local HS went from its first coach (a science teacher at the school who had never played the game) after 32 years to its second (a former player for the first, a seasoned club coach, and a security officer at the school). The "new" coach understands the conflict from both sides and is a little more tolerant of players' situations.

    An interesting article from 2016 (my sons were both on the 2008 team noted in the article) --

    https://www.mcall.com/sdpn-prep-soc...milestone-2016jan12-story.html?outputType=amp
     
  7. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
    That early tryout wouldn't thrill me, given your season (some clubs here do that w/HS boys players, ahead of their fall HS season, which makes no sense to me). That said, I wish my son's school did "soccer PE." They have a reasonably strong program and fairly high turnout, so it's not a minor sport for the school. My oldest had track/cross country PE for runners over the winter (between seasons) when he was still in high school and it was great -- weight training, distance running, some speed work, ... Much better than the usual walking laps around the gym, ..., that PE classes here seem to do.

    I grew up in Texas, where I think soccer's a spring sport for boys (or maybe winter?). I'm old enough that my one year of HS soccer was the first year for sanctioned HS soccer in Texas. And we played some awful soccer.
     
  8. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Soccer was established as a high school sport where I lived in Vermont in 1957 (give or take a year) for schools that were too small to have football teams, replacing fall baseball. My father was the Principal of one of these small schools, so he was the Commissioner at the first state championship game. He recruited my brother and me to be ball boys. The game ended scoreless, and the rules had no provision for overtime, so the trophy was awarded in accordance with the regular-season rules to the team who had taken the most corner kicks.
     
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