SKC vs. COL - July 17 - 7:00PM CDT [R]

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  1. kcfooty

    kcfooty Member

    Feb 16, 2011
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    United States
    We play a game tonight - let there be a thread.
     
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  2. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
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    looking awesome so far... and by awesome, i mean terrible.
     
  3. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    United States
    how was that not a red card? benezet literally swung his arm/elbow and made contact with zusi's face/neck.
     
  4. nelhawk13

    nelhawk13 New Member

    Sporting Kansas City
    United States
    Jun 3, 2018
    My god. Clearest red card ever...
     
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  5. kcfooty

    kcfooty Member

    Feb 16, 2011
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    United States
    Shelton. Nice volley.
     
  6. kcfooty

    kcfooty Member

    Feb 16, 2011
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    Ridiculous hand ball. Rubio right to be pissed. Pulido converts.
     
  7. nelhawk13

    nelhawk13 New Member

    Sporting Kansas City
    United States
    Jun 3, 2018
    Offside?!?!
     
  8. siskoeva

    siskoeva Member

    Oct 31, 2011
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    I hate what I just watched. 3 points but what a stinker other than the Shelton goal with a man up.
     
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  9. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    yep, glad to have the 3 points, but we should take no pride in that game.

    the red for DOGSO, i disagree with, for similar reasons that i disagree with melia's red last game. shelton didn't even have possession of the ball, and would've been chasing it AWAY from their goal toward the corner flag. I'm not saying it's not worth a debate, but i definitely lean to just a yellow card. their second red, i have no idea (and i think the announcers are still unaware that it even happened... god, shep is so awful). the pk, though, was very harsh on colorardo. then we allow them to equalize with 9 men? what a goddamn embarrassment that was. finally, we got lucky with the deflection on zusi's shot (which should be an own goal because the shot was gong wide until it was redirected in). we should've done so much more with a 2-man advantage.

    oh well. it's not boring, though.
     
  10. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
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    Kansas City Wizards
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    United States
    The red card I totally get why it was called given the players around at the time but I woulda been okay with a yellow. Honestly Gantar had a really bad game and the game got out of control because he wasn’t a little quicker with his whistle earlier.

    the PK was harsh but by the letter of the law a PK because Rubio’s arm was away from his body (and yes I understand you can’t jump with your hands to your side).

    Gerso’s lack of a right foot continues to annoy me.
     
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  11. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
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    did you see him stub his foot into the turf and then whiff on a dribble? he's ... something alright.
     
  12. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
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    Kansas City Wizards
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    United States
    Yep saw that, also saw when we were up 2 men and he got played the ball all alone, could (and probably should have) tried to one time it with his right, curling it to the far post. Instead controlled it and tried to get it to his left and Yarbrough had the angle by then.
     
  13. Spassapparat

    Spassapparat Member

    SKC/Werder Bremen
    May 14, 2017
    my two cents:

    - I never would have guessed pre-season that 4 games in, Khiry Shelton would be our most consistent performer. He was involved in everything dangerous yesterday.

    - While Gerso has not been great, Russell has been much worse, so I expect Gerso to start against RSL (or maybe Salloi gets a chance?) Russell looked gassed after 15 minutes, and he just does not seem comfortable at all on the left hand side. Given how good Shelton is playing though, there is no way he'll get back his usual spot.

    - I'm becoming more and more committed to my opinion that Kinda is an improved version of Croizet. Technically super skilled, but just making really bad decisions and especially in your own half taking way too much risk with dribblings.

    - While none of the 4 goals he conceded were on Sanchez, he does not inspire confidence, I'm happy Melia will be back against RSL. He did get very lucky though that Gantar called a foul against a Colorado player when he came out and failed to properly box away a cross.

    - Our press did not work at all, and I'm starting to think with the personnel that we have it is foolish to try and institute the press. The midfield just is not capable of covering as much ground as this requires and the defense is too aware of its limitations speed wise, fearing the ball over the top and dropping off, leaving lots of space in between them and our midfield.

    - I actually think Gantar made the right call on the two VAR decisions, and slightly disadvantaged us on not giving the red against Benizet, and additionally Lewis looks ever so slightly off to me on the 2-2, but I can still understand the Rapids fans fuming. Even with my SKC colored glasses I gotta say I lost count on how many obvious fouls by SKC players he let play on and how many yellow cards against us he kept in his pockets.
     
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  14. SportingKCFan

    SportingKCFan Member

    Sep 2, 2010
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    Crazy game, good to get three points, but it is inexcusable to give up a goal in the run of play up 2 players.
     
  15. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
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    Kansas City Wizards
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    United States
    It doesn't help that Kinda or someone else doesn't rotate more into the middle when Espinoza pushes wide/high to press. It's something that Gutierrez was really good at that either Kinda isn't getting yet or one of the wings isn't cycling over to fill the hole leaving a big gap in the middle.

    I think Martins may have just held him onside but it's close.

     
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  16. Spassapparat

    Spassapparat Member

    SKC/Werder Bremen
    May 14, 2017
    yeah in the end these situations are just where the offside rule is inexact. Do you use the still frame where the passer just started to touch the ball or the still frame where the passer's foot just barely has not stopped yet touching the ball? I suppose it was definitely not a ref mistake to call it onside..
     
  17. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
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    Kansas City Wizards
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    United States
    Was apparently just onside.

     
  18. Spassapparat

    Spassapparat Member

    SKC/Werder Bremen
    May 14, 2017
    once again, in the still frame used you can see Kamara just starting to make his passing motion. How much further does Lewis advance and how much further do Besler and Martins try to jump forward in the time it takes for Kamara to actually release the ball? Given that it's only two inches, i think it would be a fairly reasonable assumption to make that in a later still frame that still shows Kamara with the ball on his foot Lewis would be off. And this is actually a fairly easy case of a tough offside decision, as Kamara's body is completely open to the camera throughout the whole passing motion, which obviously is not always the case.

    Or is all of that something that this twitter person's model somehow takes into account?
     
  19. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    United States
    he's 2 feet onside, not inches. when i saw it, i wasn't thinking it'd be two feet, but i definitely thought martins was keeping him onside.

    frankly, as far as i'm concerned, i don't care if he was on or off. it wouldn't change my opinion of how ineffective our defense appears at times. to be two men up and even have a whiff of getting taken on a counter is flat-out inexcusable and thoroughly embarrassing for a defense with as much experience as ours has.
     
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  20. kcfooty

    kcfooty Member

    Feb 16, 2011
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    United States
    Another positive - kind of.. the free kick by Pulido absolutely banged the cross-bar. So that was a real, but just missed opportunity. I like that it was close and had potential - portends more good things.
     
  21. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    United States
    First and foremost, almost nothing can be taken from this game because Gantar absolutely ruined it. He took off two Colorado players and gave SKC an extremely soft PK. I don't know how the Colorado coaching staff held it together.

    Left footed players tend to be even more one footed than right footed players. That said, he is the most one footed player we have had since Jefferson and Stojcev.

    Absolutely agree with your first two points. Khiry looks like a different player this time around. The time he spent in Germany helped him and he should be starting every game at wing forward.

    Disagree with your point about Kinda. Croizet was awful and could do almost nothing right. He couldn't pass, shot, dribble, or defend. Kinda is playing the 10, which requires taking risks. While he was invisible in this game, until this point, he has been an effective 10. He is going to lose the ball, as all 10s do. The key is for PV to get Kinda to take those risks only when he is in the attacking half, and to have the 6 backing him up when we are in our defensive half.
     
  22. Spassapparat

    Spassapparat Member

    SKC/Werder Bremen
    May 14, 2017
    Much has been made about the the fact that the ball went towards the corner flag on the first colorado red, but in my opinion it only went that way because it got accidentally touched by the colorado defender and he was only able to do that because he fouled Shelton first. The second red, well we don't know what exactly happened but if you use expletives of certain kinds towards the ref you will get kicked off.
    As to the softness of the PK, I would say 95++ percent of refs will give that handling penalty, as this is just how the handling rule is interpreted these days. Do I like it? Hell no. But given the rule, imo it was not soft at all. Have you seen the handling penalty that Seattle got yday? Now that was a soft PK.

    I think we agree more than you think as I made it sound as if I'm more critical of Kinda as I actually am. He is definitely 2-3 levels above Croizet, but he just reminds me of him as they have the same strengths and weaknesses (though obv Kinda is a way better dribbler and makes less dumb mistakes). The moment where I really got a flashback was in the Minnesota game, where we had like a 4 against 2 breakaway situation and Kinda tried to chip the keeper from way far out. Reminded me of a Vancouver game where we were up by one with like 2 mins to go and Croizet, instead of holding on to the ball tried to chip the keeper from the midfield line.
     

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