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  1. celito

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    Speaking of rainbow flicks during a game ... Djalminha rainbow flick pass. Ronaldinho got most of his tricks from Djalminha.

     
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    The piece of skill by Hagi looks like an improvised Cruyff Turn. Like a Cruyff Turn as a first touch.
    Whatever it is, it is beautiful and Hagi is amongst the most all rounded technicians Europe has produced.
     
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    God


    One of my favourites
     
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    #406 carlito86, Apr 9, 2020
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    Underrated technique and one of the best chest traps ive ever seen
    To round the keeper afterwards makes it a genius goal
    Any defender put in this situation is entirely exempt from blame
    You cannot defend against this
     
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    #411 PuckVanHeel, May 27, 2020
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    Very nice video this is, only see it now. One of my favorite moments is this one from a season earlier, when he with surgical precision unlocks the Lazio defense. I think it's a pity he was already 29 when he first got to play in the Champions League, but he still has his moments, as that video of you shows. Eventually he was directly involved in six UEFA finals though.


    You are not using the same source here. 'Pes stats' - assuming that they're right - shows only a 2 points difference, which is not that much.

    I think Gullit's touch was less consistent, not helped by his five knee injuries but he nevertheless was able of some good one touch football and some good flicks against elite level teams. An example I've used previously is this but there are a few really, you can also take something like this. Gullit played in a time when the pitches were inconsistent as well. His technique was highly effective and scored some great goals with it too (like the 1989EC final).

    On youtube you can see his 1984 Hungary game and 1986 Poland game if you like. I think those give accurate impressions.

    I also think shorter players give quickly a 'better ball control' impression and these guys have said the same sort of thing. Also rarer are players who combine work rate with a good touch. There tends to be a genuine trade-off there.

    Overall I think I'd agree but Gullit was a technically good player in his own right (capable of long passes, piercing through passes, volleys etc.). It's clear though Gullit his 'charisma' and physical power enhanced his standing, as much as what he could do with a football. At the same time, while as a whole he is if anything prone to be overrated, his technique is prone to be underrated.







    Both are imho great players and found/enhanced success at different teams and in different roles (for smaller teams as well), with various big goals and big assists at big games. They really made a few teams better and helped them to be (near) successful.

    Arnold Muhren that I mention in the other thread (with Thijssen imho not really a great player) is a decent candidate for this as well. They can make a One2Eleven with him. He can pick anyone of the Golden Ajax, he can pick a few British players too like Bryan Robson and Ray Wilkins, he can pick the 1988 generation, and even some of the generation after (De Boer brothers etc.). Amazing. The Ipswich starting team mates were at the time almost all internationals as well (but that they had only 14 players in 42 league games or so cost them the title).
     
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    Actually I think Gullit might have been better at the volley shots - so that is a technical area he could do better I guess - but hard to prove this with facts pointing at this direction. Seedorf has had some (game winning) volley goals from outside the box at Champions League level too.





    Another thing Gullit was perhaps better at were the powerful straight driving shots or passes. I've seen Seedorf way more often shooting or passing with a curl or a bend. Also that famous outside the box goal against Atletico had a swirl in it, which resulted in the goalkeeper (Molina, who has the clean sheets record in la Liga IIRC) misguiding the trajectory. Gullit sometimes passed the ball like an arrow floating just above the (imperfect) grass, waiting for a team-mate connecting with the ball.
     
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    I realise you had a back and forth with a poster a few pages back regarding seedorf vs scholes

    To bring some further value to the discussion here are some opta stats from what is arguably his best career season
    OPTA STATS 2006/2007
    This is only from August to December 2006

    Player..........Passes.........Pass %
    Scholes.........1,056..........91.6%
    Rio.................963...........81.9%
    Carrick............835...........84.3%
    C.Ronaldo...........690...........85.7%

    Unfortunately the link is dead now but here is a secondary source
    https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cristiano-has-always-been-a-better-player-than-rooney.130446/page-15

    This is not for a possession based team either and scholes wasn't playing sideway passes as frequent as Xavi


    0:52
    This is before his prime and against a highly impressive Italian NT (albeit in the 97 tournoi de france which was like a world cup dress rehearsal)

    This is a Goat level assist
    Or at least it would be described as such if the player was Platini(vs Bordeaux or Manchester United )
    Not sure if I've seen many players execute that pass in such a high profile match against a defensively stacked opponent
     
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    Italy their defense and overall performance was dreadful that tournament... Really, really bad.
     
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    In my top 10 in terms of technique:
     
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